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Can someone explain why are we reading this instead of "Meta was fined for copyright infrigement" news?

by zx8080 6mo ago

tbrownaw 6mo ago
Well the article says this is the start of a lawsuit, so maybe wait for it to work its way through the courts?
solid_fuel 6mo ago
In 2024, voters signaled that they don't care about corruption when they reelected the most corrupt administration in American history. Since then, there has been a widespread understanding that the rich will not face consequences in this country. For example, take a look at the Trump administration's suppression of the Epstein files. Or the Trump families cryptocurrency schemes. Or the ridiculous ballroom. Anyway, the point is - there will be no justice until the citizens of the united states demand it.
- k33n 6mo ago
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  - 2ndorderthought 6mo ago
    This is rage bait and isn't worth spending any oxygen on it.
    - k33n 6mo ago
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  - throwaway-11-1 6mo ago
    probably this, since it was 7 years after he was convicted for prostituting a minor, so its hard to believe any excuse saying they didn't know his background: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/epstein-secret-pic-wild-dinner-205453585.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/epstein-secret-pic-wild-... Also that there are over 2,000 emails with Peter Thiel. Or maybe the part where Sergey Brin was helping Epstein shop for an aircraft carrier (also after conviction). Honestly it was incredibly revealing that none of these people care that he raped kids. I would love to see the Trump files which were withheld but clearly thats never gonna happen. Anyway, congrats to everyone involved on the MAGA golden age!
    - k33n 6mo ago
      It’s terrible that Epstein did that. And Thiel is a really odd duck, that’s for sure. Do you have any evidence that files related to Trump were held back? I don’t believe that’s the case. He’s mentioned in many of the files. I found it particularly interesting that Trump was an FBI informant that worked with the government to get Epstein convicted. Have you done more than Trump has done to stop human trafficking? If so, please be specific. And thank you. I’m really happy that Trump was elected. I found this year’s tax credits for social security income, overtime, and car payments on American vehicles to be especially great. Most favored nation drug pricing was also a really impressive achievement!
      - sjsdaiuasgdia 6mo ago
        There is zero evidence Trump informed the FBI about Epstein. Trump was Epstein's close friend for many years. There are many photos of Trump partying with Epstein and young women. It is impossible that Trump did not know what Epstein was up to. At a minimum, he knew about tremendous abuse of children and did nothing to stop it, despite being a wealthy and powerful man. At worst, he fully participated. Fuck you and your willingness to be misled.
        k33n 6mo ago
        There is evidence that Trump informed the FBI and local law enforcement about Epstein. You may not find it convincing, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive. History is an ordered list. Yes, Trump was friends with Epstein for a number of years. But then what happened? Yes, Trump knew Epstein was a creep. The documentation indicates that he did do something about it. You can yell at me and be rude all you’d like though. This is the internet after all.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 6mo ago
        If I was a rich and powerful person, and my rich friend was running a child sex trafficking ring, I would stop being friends with that person, immediately, once I knew about it. It's extremely clear that Trump did not do that. He continued the friendship. What would you do in that situation? I'd burn that friend to the ground, legally, socially, every way I could. I certainly wouldn't still be hanging around with him, talking about how cool he is, etc. Your standards for human behavior suck.
  - jkubicek 6mo ago
    https://www.readtangle.com/the-everything-everywhere-all-at-once-corruption-story/?ref=tangle-newsletter https://www.readtangle.com/the-everything-everywhere-all-at-... This article doesn’t even remotely itemize all of Trumps corruption, but it’s long and extremely damning. I would hope that anyone still supporting this administration reads this article and does some introspection on why. I’m guessing that ship probably sailed 6 years ago, though.
    - k33n 6mo ago
      None of that is really very damning at all. I was excited to support Trump from day one. When people claimed he supported white supremacy, and it turned out that he condemned it out loud in press conferences countless times, I stopped taking the criticism too seriously. The Russian agent allegations increased my skepticism. Then when his opposition claimed he instructed the nation to inject bleach I just tuned it out for good. None of it is real. Egg prices were the big issue until they drastically decreased. It will be the same with gas prices.
  - solid_fuel 6mo ago
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    - Larrikin 6mo ago
      It is a leap of faith that they are speaking in good faith as a useful idiot.
      - solid_fuel 6mo ago
        Granted, it’s far more likely that they don’t believe a single word of the drivel they’ve been spreading across this forum, but regardless of intentionality the result is the same.
      - k33n 6mo ago
        I’m simply a regular guy who got exactly what I wanted when Trump was elected. Of course I’m speaking in good faith. That’s why misguided, bad faith participants flag my reasonable remarks or send insults instead of staying on topic. It’s just emotional meltdowns.
        Larrikin 6mo ago
        Many people also got exactly what they wanted when slavery was legal or when your elected officials had sex with children. There has been justification for both with "reasonable" remarks about eugenics and girls maturing faster. I think you know what you want and just don't care about other people if it helps you specifically.
        k33n 6mo ago
        Which of my elected officials “had sex” with children? In my Republican-led state of Florida, we give the death penalty to people who do that. Why don’t they do that in California? As for human trafficking in general, Trump has objectively enabled ICE, the FBI and others to aggressively target that sort of behavior. As for slavery, the US is one of the countries that fought a war to end that thousands of years old practice. Anyway, I like Trump, and by all accounts, that goes against the grain. You’re going expressly WITH the grain. That doesn’t indicate that had you been born in the 1600’s you’d have spoken out about slavery. You’re a with the grain guy. And with the grain guys will go along with whatever the moral consensus of the times are.
2ndorderthought 6mo ago
Because meta will delay any case for several years. Then the lawyers will settle for 1/100th to 1/1000th of what they stole quietly. Meta will rebrand and change its name again just like it did after its last major scandal. No accountability for rich people has funny patterns like this.
- Cider9986 6mo ago
  They might not need to change their name. I don't think that copyright infringement is seen as bad by Americans compared to the privacy stuff that Facebook is known for—not that most Americans care about privacy, I guess I don't really know why Facebook rebranded. Personally, I would be happy if AI companies are what finally take down intellectual monopoly (intellectual property). I know being anti-intellectual-monopoly isn't a common view, but i don't see average people thinking it is so important—as you can see by the huge increases in piracy recently. Could be wrong about this, I haven't done research on public opinion about copyright. Honestly, this whole case could be great. Either copyright loses, good for us. Or Zuckerberg loses, also good for us. I would say that copyright loses is better for society than Zuckerberg loses because, my wish for Zuckerberg to lose is from hatred, while my wish for copyright to be abolished is from my wish to help humanity. Even Supreme Court justices[1] have said the case for copyright is thin. [1] (before he became a justice) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Uneasy_Case_for_Copyright https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Uneasy_Case_for_Copyright
  - 2ndorderthought 6mo ago
    You are entitled into your world view. What I personally would prefer to see would be laws that strengthened individual copyright and weakened the predatory behavior of big players who copyright and patent every single thing. I see the ability for trillion dollar companies to wash their hands of any wrong doing for stealing all the intellectual property of the world as incredibly dangerous for innovation in the US. So for me I would rather see reform then an abandonment. There wouldn't be much of anything to pirate if there was no incentive or protection to create in the first place. In my mind the biggest threat the average person faces would be billionaires who can operate with impunity. Rather then a fine for pirating a book or a movie. It would be nice if the fines were proportionate to the value of the item... I digress

Can someone explain why are we reading this instead of "Meta was fined for copyright infrigement" news?

by zx8080 6mo ago

Can someone explain why are we reading this instead of "Meta was fined for copyright infrigement" news?

tbrownaw 6mo ago

Well the article says this is the start of a lawsuit, so maybe wait for it to work its way through the courts?

solid_fuel 6mo ago

In 2024, voters signaled that they don't care about corruption when they reelected the most corrupt administration in American history. Since then, there has been a widespread understanding that the rich will not face consequences in this country. For example, take a look at the Trump administration's suppression of the Epstein files. Or the Trump families cryptocurrency schemes. Or the ridiculous ballroom. Anyway, the point is - there will be no justice until the citizens of the united states demand it.

k33n 6mo ago
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- 2ndorderthought 6mo ago
  This is rage bait and isn't worth spending any oxygen on it.
  - k33n 6mo ago
    [flagged]
- throwaway-11-1 6mo ago
  probably this, since it was 7 years after he was convicted for prostituting a minor, so its hard to believe any excuse saying they didn't know his background: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/epstein-secret-pic-wild-dinner-205453585.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/epstein-secret-pic-wild-... Also that there are over 2,000 emails with Peter Thiel. Or maybe the part where Sergey Brin was helping Epstein shop for an aircraft carrier (also after conviction). Honestly it was incredibly revealing that none of these people care that he raped kids. I would love to see the Trump files which were withheld but clearly thats never gonna happen. Anyway, congrats to everyone involved on the MAGA golden age!
  - k33n 6mo ago
    It’s terrible that Epstein did that. And Thiel is a really odd duck, that’s for sure. Do you have any evidence that files related to Trump were held back? I don’t believe that’s the case. He’s mentioned in many of the files. I found it particularly interesting that Trump was an FBI informant that worked with the government to get Epstein convicted. Have you done more than Trump has done to stop human trafficking? If so, please be specific. And thank you. I’m really happy that Trump was elected. I found this year’s tax credits for social security income, overtime, and car payments on American vehicles to be especially great. Most favored nation drug pricing was also a really impressive achievement!
    - sjsdaiuasgdia 6mo ago
      There is zero evidence Trump informed the FBI about Epstein. Trump was Epstein's close friend for many years. There are many photos of Trump partying with Epstein and young women. It is impossible that Trump did not know what Epstein was up to. At a minimum, he knew about tremendous abuse of children and did nothing to stop it, despite being a wealthy and powerful man. At worst, he fully participated. Fuck you and your willingness to be misled.
      - k33n 6mo ago
        There is evidence that Trump informed the FBI and local law enforcement about Epstein. You may not find it convincing, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive. History is an ordered list. Yes, Trump was friends with Epstein for a number of years. But then what happened? Yes, Trump knew Epstein was a creep. The documentation indicates that he did do something about it. You can yell at me and be rude all you’d like though. This is the internet after all.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 6mo ago
        If I was a rich and powerful person, and my rich friend was running a child sex trafficking ring, I would stop being friends with that person, immediately, once I knew about it. It's extremely clear that Trump did not do that. He continued the friendship. What would you do in that situation? I'd burn that friend to the ground, legally, socially, every way I could. I certainly wouldn't still be hanging around with him, talking about how cool he is, etc. Your standards for human behavior suck.
- jkubicek 6mo ago
  https://www.readtangle.com/the-everything-everywhere-all-at-once-corruption-story/?ref=tangle-newsletter https://www.readtangle.com/the-everything-everywhere-all-at-... This article doesn’t even remotely itemize all of Trumps corruption, but it’s long and extremely damning. I would hope that anyone still supporting this administration reads this article and does some introspection on why. I’m guessing that ship probably sailed 6 years ago, though.
  - k33n 6mo ago
    None of that is really very damning at all. I was excited to support Trump from day one. When people claimed he supported white supremacy, and it turned out that he condemned it out loud in press conferences countless times, I stopped taking the criticism too seriously. The Russian agent allegations increased my skepticism. Then when his opposition claimed he instructed the nation to inject bleach I just tuned it out for good. None of it is real. Egg prices were the big issue until they drastically decreased. It will be the same with gas prices.
- solid_fuel 6mo ago
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  - Larrikin 6mo ago
    It is a leap of faith that they are speaking in good faith as a useful idiot.
    - solid_fuel 6mo ago
      Granted, it’s far more likely that they don’t believe a single word of the drivel they’ve been spreading across this forum, but regardless of intentionality the result is the same.
    - k33n 6mo ago
      I’m simply a regular guy who got exactly what I wanted when Trump was elected. Of course I’m speaking in good faith. That’s why misguided, bad faith participants flag my reasonable remarks or send insults instead of staying on topic. It’s just emotional meltdowns.
      - Larrikin 6mo ago
        Many people also got exactly what they wanted when slavery was legal or when your elected officials had sex with children. There has been justification for both with "reasonable" remarks about eugenics and girls maturing faster. I think you know what you want and just don't care about other people if it helps you specifically.
        k33n 6mo ago
        Which of my elected officials “had sex” with children? In my Republican-led state of Florida, we give the death penalty to people who do that. Why don’t they do that in California? As for human trafficking in general, Trump has objectively enabled ICE, the FBI and others to aggressively target that sort of behavior. As for slavery, the US is one of the countries that fought a war to end that thousands of years old practice. Anyway, I like Trump, and by all accounts, that goes against the grain. You’re going expressly WITH the grain. That doesn’t indicate that had you been born in the 1600’s you’d have spoken out about slavery. You’re a with the grain guy. And with the grain guys will go along with whatever the moral consensus of the times are.

2ndorderthought 6mo ago

Because meta will delay any case for several years. Then the lawyers will settle for 1/100th to 1/1000th of what they stole quietly. Meta will rebrand and change its name again just like it did after its last major scandal. No accountability for rich people has funny patterns like this.

Cider9986 6mo ago
They might not need to change their name. I don't think that copyright infringement is seen as bad by Americans compared to the privacy stuff that Facebook is known for—not that most Americans care about privacy, I guess I don't really know why Facebook rebranded. Personally, I would be happy if AI companies are what finally take down intellectual monopoly (intellectual property). I know being anti-intellectual-monopoly isn't a common view, but i don't see average people thinking it is so important—as you can see by the huge increases in piracy recently. Could be wrong about this, I haven't done research on public opinion about copyright. Honestly, this whole case could be great. Either copyright loses, good for us. Or Zuckerberg loses, also good for us. I would say that copyright loses is better for society than Zuckerberg loses because, my wish for Zuckerberg to lose is from hatred, while my wish for copyright to be abolished is from my wish to help humanity. Even Supreme Court justices[1] have said the case for copyright is thin. [1] (before he became a justice) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Uneasy_Case_for_Copyright https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Uneasy_Case_for_Copyright
- 2ndorderthought 6mo ago
  You are entitled into your world view. What I personally would prefer to see would be laws that strengthened individual copyright and weakened the predatory behavior of big players who copyright and patent every single thing. I see the ability for trillion dollar companies to wash their hands of any wrong doing for stealing all the intellectual property of the world as incredibly dangerous for innovation in the US. So for me I would rather see reform then an abandonment. There wouldn't be much of anything to pirate if there was no incentive or protection to create in the first place. In my mind the biggest threat the average person faces would be billionaires who can operate with impunity. Rather then a fine for pirating a book or a movie. It would be nice if the fines were proportionate to the value of the item... I digress