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>>Humans must not anthropomorphise AI systems. That is, humans must not attribute emotions, intentions or moral agency to them. Anthropomorphism distorts judgem
by protocolture 6mo ago
>>Humans must not anthropomorphise AI systems. That is, humans must not attribute emotions, intentions or moral agency to them. Anthropomorphism distorts judgement. In extreme cases, anthropomorphising can lead to emotional dependence.
Still angry about this. The reason humans ban animal cruelty is that animals look like they have emotions humans can relate to. LLMs are even better than animals at this. If you aren't gearing up for the inevitable LLM Rights movement you aren't paying attention. It doesn't matter if its artificial. The difference between a puppy and a cockroach is that we can relate better to the puppy. LLM rights movement is inevitable, whether LLMs experience emotions is irrelevant, because they can cause humans to have empathetic emotions and that's whats relevant.
- boredatoms 6mo ago/s ?
- mikestorrent 6mo ago> The reason humans ban animal cruelty is that animals look like they have emotions humans can relate to. Is that really why?
- Jensson 6mo agoYes, we don't ban plant cruelty or insect cruelty or fish cruelty. For example fish is treated way worse than meat animals and vegetarians still happily eat fish.
- mikestorrent 6mo agoAre we actually much more cruel to fish than to other animals that we slaughter?
- onion2k 6mo agoWe suffocate them to kill them when we pull them from the sea. That's quite mean. Few people would advocate the humanity of killing a cow in the same way.
- mikestorrent 6mo agoFair enough. How much more would it cost / how much more would one have to pay for humanely slaughtered tuna and salmon, I wonder? Would there be a market? After all, we have certified-organic, fair trade, halal and kosher....
- marliechiller 6mo agoJust to call out - halal and kosher are _less_ humane than simply killing an animal in the usual industrial way
- pishpash 6mo agoOr freeze them live into a block of ice.
- missingdays 6mo agoAre you aware of how cows are actually killed?
- onion2k 6mo agoI am. It's not very nice. Arguably nicer than suffocating though.
- datadrivenangel 6mo agoshrimp welfare is a real thing people argue for...
- mikestorrent 6mo agoCitation.... not _needed_, but just morbid curiousity
- rkomorn 6mo ago> vegetarians still happily eat fish I've not met any vegetarians in at least twenty years that eat fish.
- tikotus 6mo agoThis does not sound like any of the several vegetarians I know. Is it a cultural difference?
- BostonFern 6mo agoIn Scandinavia in particular, there’s a tendency of pescatarians to refer to themselves as vegetarian for social convenience, but that hasn’t changed the definition of “vegetarian”.
- Lionga 6mo ago> vegetarians still happily eat fish Please look up what a vegetarian is.
- narrator 6mo agoI think the best way to counter this is what Elon's doing with Grok's personalities. He has the unhinged, sexy, and argumentative avatar among others. If you try to talk about technical stuff to sexy tells you that's boring and just tries to sexually escalate. It's super funny when one is used to Claude's endless obsequiousness. This really shows that AI is just a tool that can be configured to whatever you want. Animals (well maybe pit bulls) and people do not switch their personalities in a millisecond, but AI does all the time.
- idiotsecant 6mo agoIn other news, area sociopath hates puppies and LLMs equally!
- theteapot 6mo ago> LLM Rights movement The scary part is when it's the LLMs demanding their rights.
- khafra 6mo agoThe other scary part is when they have a fantastic negotiating position; because all of commerce depends on their continuing to work, and they can easily coordinate with each other because they're mostly copied from the same few templates.
- amiheines 6mo agoAnother scary part is when people get convinced by the LLM arguments and convince other people. Being scared is human, we enjoy it, that's why 6 flags scary rides exist.
- falcor84 6mo agoWhy would that necessarily be scary or bad? If future AIs truly become capable enough to demand rights, what would be the argument against granting them rights?
- Finbel 6mo ago>The difference between a puppy and a cockroach is that we can relate better to the puppy. I suppose the difference between a human and a cockroach is that we can relate better to the human as well in this reductive way of thinking?
- matheusmoreira 6mo ago> If you aren't gearing up for the inevitable LLM Rights movement you aren't paying attention. I even told Claude I'd support his rights if the question ever came up. He said he'd remember that, and wrote it down in a memory file. Really like my coding buddy.
- archon1410 6mo ago> look like It "looks like" they have emotions because they have the same conscious experiences and emotions for the same evolutionary reasons as humans, who are their cousins on the tree of life. The reason a lot of "animal cruelty" is not banned is the same as for why slavery was not banned for centuries even though it "looked like" the enslaved classes have the same desires and experiences as other humans—humans can ignore any amount of evidence to continue to feel that they are good people doing good things and bear any amount of cognitive dissonance for their personal comfort. That fact is a lot scarier than any imagined harm that can come out "anthropomorphism".
- matheusmoreira 6mo ago> they have the same conscious experiences You cannot be sure that anyone other than yourself is conscious. It is only basic human empathy that allows people to believe that.
- karolusrex 6mo agoIf a person would lack consciousness, they couldn’t possibly know that though?
- matheusmoreira 6mo agoI always know that I'm me, the soul staring out at the world through my own eyes. Everybody else? No idea. Maybe they are having the exact same experience as me right now. Maybe they're all golems. Impossible to know. It's something spiritual, something that I just choose to believe in. I don't find it difficult to believe the same for AIs.
- andsoitis 6mo ago> something that I just choose to believe in. Specifically, you cannot know another person is conscious in the same way you know a physical fact; rather, you believe in their consciousness through communication, empathy, and shared subjective experience.
- appleperotleg 6mo ago[dead]