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These don't have normal ram, right? The ram is part of the die of the processor? So... what's going on? They're keeping the chips for themselves? They're moving

These don't have normal ram, right? The ram is part of the die of the processor? So... what's going on? They're keeping the chips for themselves? They're moving production to other lower memory configurations? But why? That's where demand is? Probably more demand at higher memory though? I'd buy one or two but I can't stick them in a Colo because they don't have LOM or dual power supplies but I've been seriously thinking about buying one and just keeping it at home and having my Colo servers talking to it for local deepseek. Not a high priority though considering how cheap deepseek is.

nicoburns 6mo ago
> But why? So they don't have to stop producing machines entirely because they've run out of RAM chips. The problem they have is with supply not demand.
- comrade1234 6mo ago
  They don't use ram chips?
  - nicoburns 6mo ago
    They do. They just solder them onto their SOCs (as part of the manufacturing process of the SOC). But they can't do that if they haven't got any.
  - piskov 6mo ago
    It is still ram, not some magic thing Still LPDDR
tkcranny 6mo ago
It’s still dedicated ram on a separate chip, which is affected by supply shortages. The ram is soldered onto the SoC in close proximity to the main arm chip. What’s different is that it is simultaneously addressable by cpu and gpu cores, not part of the same die as the apple silicon unit.
wat10000 6mo ago
Same package, but separate die. It’s still competing with all the other RAM buyers.
cayleyh 6mo ago
The ram is "unified" meaning it's a single shared between CPU and GPU, and it's "on package", meaning the RAM chips are packaged together with the CPU / GPU die, but it's just regular old RAM chips. You can clearly see this in the shot of the Mini mobo: CPU/GPU ASIC with 2 separate ram chips packaged next to them: https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Mac-mini-e1731168033104.jpg https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Mac-mini...
rasz 6mo ago
Its normal POP (package on package) ram. Apple marketing somehow managed to convince public its magic special HMB.

nicoburns 6mo ago

> But why? So they don't have to stop producing machines entirely because they've run out of RAM chips. The problem they have is with supply not demand.

comrade1234 6mo ago
They don't use ram chips?
- nicoburns 6mo ago
  They do. They just solder them onto their SOCs (as part of the manufacturing process of the SOC). But they can't do that if they haven't got any.
- piskov 6mo ago
  It is still ram, not some magic thing Still LPDDR

tkcranny 6mo ago

It’s still dedicated ram on a separate chip, which is affected by supply shortages. The ram is soldered onto the SoC in close proximity to the main arm chip. What’s different is that it is simultaneously addressable by cpu and gpu cores, not part of the same die as the apple silicon unit.

wat10000 6mo ago

Same package, but separate die. It’s still competing with all the other RAM buyers.

cayleyh 6mo ago

The ram is "unified" meaning it's a single shared between CPU and GPU, and it's "on package", meaning the RAM chips are packaged together with the CPU / GPU die, but it's just regular old RAM chips. You can clearly see this in the shot of the Mini mobo: CPU/GPU ASIC with 2 separate ram chips packaged next to them: https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Mac-mini-e1731168033104.jpg https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Mac-mini...

rasz 6mo ago

Its normal POP (package on package) ram. Apple marketing somehow managed to convince public its magic special HMB.