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Anecdotally the 15/month basic Gemini plan allows coding all day. I'm not hitting the limits or needing to upgrade to 100/month plans like other people are doin

by rjh29 6mo ago

Anecdotally the 15/month basic Gemini plan allows coding all day. I'm not hitting the limits or needing to upgrade to 100/month plans like other people are doing with Claude or Codex. Caveat: Gemini has been dumbed down a few times over the last year. Rate limits tightened up too. So it might not be this good in the future.

Zarathruster 6mo ago
Where are you using it? Is Gemini CLI at a usable state? It was a frustrating, miserable experience last time I gave it a shot. Antigravity seems significantly better in comparison, but with lower usage limits. If I run out, I usually don't bother switching to Gemini CLI.
- freedomben 6mo ago
  As long as you force it to use the pro model and not flash, it is pretty usable. If you go with the default settings though, it will use flash aggressively which results in pretty bad code. I only use it with pro exclusively now. Even with pro, I have caught it going off the rails a few times. The most frustrating was when I asked it to do translations, and it decided there were too many to do so it wrote a python script that ran locally and used some terrible library to do literal translations, and some of them were downright offensive and sexual in nature. For translations though, Gemini is the best but you have to have it do a sentence or two at a time. If you provide the context around the text, it really knocks it out of the park
  - zobzu 6mo ago
    flash is the fast (duh) model though. its not always beneficial to use pro. in practice: 1/ set to flash 3.1 ; 2/ force to pro...sometimes. mainly when the cli fails to predict what model to use. note that it will sometimes fall back to flash 2, which sucks
    - mapontosevenths 6mo ago
      Flash will absolutely destroy a complex codebase. It's like a drunk junior programmer. Don't trust it with anything more complex than autocomplete. Pro is expensive, but good. However they've decreased the pitiful stipend they used to include in even the ultra plan to the point were it's barely usable. I pivoted back to ChatGPT Pro after the recent downgrade they gave Ultra users. Googles Ultra plan cost 2.5x as much and delivers about half the usage.
      - sureMan6 6mo ago
        Yeah I don't get the user who said Gemini is generous with the quota, I get more use out of codex with the 5 hour limits than Gemini gives me in a week
      - chrisweekly 6mo ago
        Tangent: this is one of those situations where slang is harmful to understanding. When I saw "will absolutely destroy" my first interpretation was a positive connotation. Of course further context made it clear you were being straightforward, and this isn't aimed at you. Along these lines, "drop" has become a problematic term: "Acme co dropped support for Foo" means it's EOL, but "Foo dropped today" implies it just landed. Idioms are hard enough when they don't serve as borderline autoantonyms. To wrap up this extended digression, if anyone else finds this sort of thing interesting, and could use a good laugh, check out Ismo (a standup comic from Finland who makes truly hilarious observations about English as a second language). https://youtu.be/oGmzfjuicE0?si=nL_W75s8UDp1g-zI https://youtu.be/oGmzfjuicE0?si=nL_W75s8UDp1g-zI https://youtu.be/jXcMoHeWaYQ?si=QMi7nEwVWvCZyzbl https://youtu.be/jXcMoHeWaYQ?si=QMi7nEwVWvCZyzbl
        kridsdale1 6mo ago
        I had the same experience.
      - psychoslave 6mo ago
        > It's like a drunk junior programmer. Thanks for the laugh. :)
- walthamstow 6mo ago
  It's definitely not as good as Codex or Claude Code but it is cheap. You just have to manage it a bit more. I got a year for free with my phone and I still pay for Codex, so take from that what you will.
- jalcazar 6mo ago
  I tried it the very first day it was available to Google employees, and it was not usable. Then a few weeks back, I gave it another try and I was pleasantly surprised. It was insanely good! A colleague and I have been on-and-off trying to build a C++ binary against specific Google libraries for months without success. Then, Gemini CLI was able to build the binary after 2-3 days iterating and refining prompts
  - kridsdale1 6mo ago
    Hello fellow Googler. Please give Antigravity’s gLinux CLI a try. (That’s not its name but I won’t put an internal code name here, I hope you know what I mean). I moved to it from Gemini CLI last week and it is phenomenally faster and more reliable. It only took about an hour to get all my hooks and skills ported.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 6mo ago
  I'm using it in antigravity, and fint it quite good. I have not managed to run out of usage on Flash. You can run Pro out of quota almost instantly, they really don't want you to use it if you're not paying $200 a month. I do not use super broad prompts, though. None of this "build me a webapp" stuff. It's more like, "adjust this part of this class to do Y instead of X."
  - qingcharles 6mo ago
    Also bonus: using it in Antigravity you can burn through all the Opus credit Google give you first to do all the planning and then switch it to Gemini 3.1 Pro to do the grunt work.
    - xnx 6mo ago
      Have you compared Opus and Gemini to see if Gemini is any worse at planning than Opus?
      - qingcharles 6mo ago
        Yes, Gemini 3.1 Pro (High) is still inferior to Opus 4.6 (Thinking) that Google are offering, for planning. It just doesn't think things through as thoroughly as Opus. I'll use it when I've burned up all my Opus tokens and I still have planning I want to do, but I'll read the plan very carefully, whereas with Opus I'll only give it a cursory scan through.
        xnx 6mo ago
        Good data point. I would venture 90+% of Claude users have dismissed Gemini without every trying it.
  - rjh29 6mo ago
    If you use the Pro model, it can handle fairly broad prompts. Flash is very basic (no thinking)
- toraway 6mo ago
  Gemini CLI has improved a lot in the past 6 months or so. Back when I used in the 2.5 Pro era it would get stuck in loops literally like 1/8 conversations and I eventually just gave up despite having access included in my AI Pro plan. But last month I picked it up again and it has crushed everything I've thrown at it. As Codex limits tighten on the Plus plan it's been my main fallback and doesn't even feel like a downgrade when I switch over. Haven't hit a single loop so far using it nearly every day for several weeks so that problem seems solved finally, thank god. I've been using it in the auto router mode and haven't felt the need to manually lock in the bigger model yet. It's incredibly snappy which I realized I really appreciate vs. waiting around endlessly for minutes each turn, but I've read other people's experiences needing to manually select the Pro model so YMMV.
- 0xbadcafebee 6mo ago
  > Is Gemini CLI at a usable state? Technically usable but with bad/broken code. I found 3 different bugs with 1 feature, found a duplicate feature (their vibe coding missed the fact that the feature was already implemented), and the docs were wrong. Other features were ridiculously badly implemented. Reported them all, submitted multiple changes. None were accepted. Their repo was a hellscape of AI-generated issues and AI-generated PRs; I think mine was the only one written by a human. This was a month and a half ago. Google is one of the most valuable corporations in the world, yet even they shipped a turd of an app to real customers and can't even take a bug fix. I think AI coding might be cooked.
  - rjh29 6mo ago
    It's a vibe coded mess, really depressing from such a large company. You can tell it's AI-driven because they keep adding new useless features but not improving the UX or bug fixing the existing ones. One simple example is you can use @ to reference filenames - but the file list is cached and never updates. Ask Gemini to split a file into two files, then type @ and the new files will never appear. Those kind of extremely basic bugs. But hey, the text has gradient colours...
threecheese 6mo ago
Are you using their TUI, or just their APis in another harness?
freedomben 6mo ago
I got really burned by that quality reduction. I subscribed to the AI pro level, and was using it quite a bit, but I stopped because I had to be super attentive to the output because it would make simple mistakes. It was really a shame, because for a while they're Gemini was the best and the AI pro level would allow you enough usage to use it throughout the day as long as you weren't hammering it
kingleopold 6mo ago
no 15/month does not enough all day? pls dont share wrong info, 3.1 pro CLI sometimes wait 20-30 min thinking sometimes, it's by far worse compared to others.It finishes with few hours of work mostly, but in openai they give you 6 times of that in 24 hours, gemini resets one time a day. It is literally lazy and so many times does half work. I'm a power user for all top models in top 3 AI companies, only Gemini 3.1 waits so long and it's so slow. Even Gemini pro 3 and pro 2.5 was not like this at all
- kissickas 6mo ago
  Which do you find best? I am using Claude Code but hit the 5-hour limits easily, and burn through the weekly allowance in 3-4 days... and I'm not even using it for work
  - kingleopold 6mo ago
    gpt 5.5 is really good, CC is really expensive but it's similar level. Gemini 3.1 and 3 flash are only good for more simple tasks and when work is not the important part of the project
- rjh29 6mo ago
  "Wrong info" lol. We just have different use patterns or expectations. Saying you're a "AI power user" is not the appeal to authority you think it is. Everybody here is using AI.
  - kingleopold 6mo ago
    great comment with lots of information in it, you best!
kissickas 6mo ago
I only see plans for $8, $20, and $250/month... which one are you using exactly? https://gemini.google/subscriptions/ https://gemini.google/subscriptions/
- Sabinus 6mo ago
  At least the $20 one. The $8 plan has the same cli limits as an unpaid account.
- xnx 6mo ago
  The Google One plans are also good deals: https://one.google.com/about/google-ai-plans/ https://one.google.com/about/google-ai-plans/
- 8note 6mo ago
  ive got the one that came with my phone. its gotten much better on token limits and up time. i recently reran a screenshot heavy task that i had last run in january, and it was able to keep running overnight and maybe peaked at 40% quota at any time, vs last time id need to resume it maybe twice to get the task to completion
  - dr_kiszonka 6mo ago
    Was this a script using the API or something you asked Gemini CLI to do? I burn through Gemini CLI and Antigravity daily quotas in 2 hours on the $20 plan (AI Pro). Or maybe you used an older flash model? I am asking because I am very frustrated with the new quotas and I am hoping to get more mileage out of my subscription.
- rjh29 6mo ago
  15 GBP so likely $20.
- mark_l_watson 6mo ago
  I was in their Pro plan for about a year, now on Ultra, and I am planning on downgrading to the cheap $8/month plan and just using OpenCode with a good inference provider because of one thing: I like seeing my token and cost $ usage data in real time. I know this sounds a little crazy, but I like visibility into what resources I am using. I think subscription plans are a little bit evil. Th said, Ultra with the initial half price deal is awesome: all the Opus tokens I need in AntiGravity.
lucb1e 6mo ago
I don't know if people know this, but using it all day (say 8h) costs between 0.7 and about 14 kg of CO2 in the US, depending on which region's grid power they use (or, if they run off of generators, the gCO2e/kWh might be very different from these bounds). With 225 working days per year (assuming no night or weekend use), in the worst region that's 50% of the CO2 the average european person uses in a year, just for this assist function; in the best region (a few counties currently running on 100% hydropower) it makes no difference of course because the energy is running down the hill whether you use it or not. Maybe it could otherwise have been exported or stored but there's only so much interconnect and storage Edit: and this 15$ subscription (again assuming 225×8h use per year divided by 12 months) uses the equivalent of about 150€/month worth of electricity at the rate I'd pay at home. That sounds close to the cost price (ignoring capex on the servers and model training) Google would be able to negotiate with electricity providers. Would be interested in how this works out for them if someone knows
- losteric 6mo ago
  > using it all day (say 8h) costs between 0.7 and about 14 kg of CO2 in the US, How do you get to this range? That's quite a spread. When I last ran the math, my daily usage (efficient and effective productivity, not spamming Gas Town) came to about 0.67 kg of CO2, which is roughly equivalent to my individual emissions from the 1 mile public bus ride home from work.
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  - lucb1e 6mo ago
    Data is from https://app.electricitymaps.com/map https://app.electricitymaps.com/map The difference is so big because renewables are just that much more efficient than coal and, to a lesser extent, natural gas. You can have 60% coming from renewable sources and still emit 400g/kWh with a coal and gas mix, whereas all hydro is 24g/kWh according to that source. The production component is what makes renewables not completely emission-free
nullsanity 6mo ago
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diordiderot 6mo ago
I find it really really slow compared to gpt/Claude
onlyrealcuzzo 6mo ago
I find Gemini to be quite good / acceptable at code review, design, and design review, but it's notably far behind Claude Code for implementation. Are you having better results? Codex is fast and decent, but I REALLY have to stay on top of it. The amount of times it makes executive design decisions on the fly to completely break everything is way too high.
- rjh29 6mo ago
  I've used it with fairly wide open prompts and also detailed markdown specs and it has no problem making them perfectly, but good code quality requires a bit of follow up work. I either vibe code a whole personal project, or strongly direct it to generate individual changes. It's fine for both. The Pro model is the only good model for complex code and I think it's slower than Claude and Codex.
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rapind 6mo ago
Just a heads up that you cannot opt out of training on any of their "personal" plans (including Ultra) last time I checked. Both Claude and ChatGPT allow you to opt out of training on their paid plans. It would be nice if this was a bit more obvious and clear too.
UncleOxidant 6mo ago
In the past I've usually found that Gemini (pro, flash) would get stuck on a problem and then seemingly start to do some kind of random search trying this and that just burning through tokens. When this would happen I'd switch (in antigravity) to Claude sonnet 4.6 and it would cut right to the chase and find the problem quickly. But the other day I was out of Claude tokens so I went back to Gemini 3.1 Pro and asked about a verilog simulation problem that Claude had been stuck on - and it figured it out in a few minutes.
- unethical_ban 6mo ago
  Pardon my lack of depth on TFA here but in my experience with work, Gemini is far less accurate on queries about technical commands that Claude or OpenAI. Like, I don't trust it at all. Maybe it has its place but not as a general advisor.
  - seanhunter 6mo ago
    I think what you’re seeing here is a difference in the amount of “world knowledge “ encoded in the perceptron parts of the model as opposed to how good the model is at the “transformer” part which you could think of as pure token prediction using only what’s in the context window. If true that would suggest gemini/gemma would be great in a RAG situation where world model isn’t needed as it’s being spoonfed all the relevant information and less good at green field tasks. That’s interesting to me because I have been struggling to understand how gemma4 is so good in my local use and how notebookLM does such a great job does when I give it project docs and yet gemini has always seemed behind claude when I use it cold for stuff.
    - k__ 6mo ago
      That matches my experience. GPT and Claude would work much better than Gemini, even if the direct feedback was sparse or diffuse. However, the moment I gave Gemini a fast testing framework that gave it instant feedback, it would mill through all kind of problems. Claude and GPT are seniors. Gemini is a very motivated mid level.
prodigycorp 6mo ago
This used to be the case, but the changes last month have rendered the Gemini Pro plan completely unusable.
- rjh29 6mo ago
  For me the sudden drop in quality happened a few months ago, and now it's back to being good again. Likely there's a lot of dynamic tweaking of model quality. Rate limits are still fine for me at least.

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Zarathruster 6mo ago

Where are you using it? Is Gemini CLI at a usable state? It was a frustrating, miserable experience last time I gave it a shot. Antigravity seems significantly better in comparison, but with lower usage limits. If I run out, I usually don't bother switching to Gemini CLI.

freedomben 6mo ago
As long as you force it to use the pro model and not flash, it is pretty usable. If you go with the default settings though, it will use flash aggressively which results in pretty bad code. I only use it with pro exclusively now. Even with pro, I have caught it going off the rails a few times. The most frustrating was when I asked it to do translations, and it decided there were too many to do so it wrote a python script that ran locally and used some terrible library to do literal translations, and some of them were downright offensive and sexual in nature. For translations though, Gemini is the best but you have to have it do a sentence or two at a time. If you provide the context around the text, it really knocks it out of the park
- zobzu 6mo ago
  flash is the fast (duh) model though. its not always beneficial to use pro. in practice: 1/ set to flash 3.1 ; 2/ force to pro...sometimes. mainly when the cli fails to predict what model to use. note that it will sometimes fall back to flash 2, which sucks
  - mapontosevenths 6mo ago
    Flash will absolutely destroy a complex codebase. It's like a drunk junior programmer. Don't trust it with anything more complex than autocomplete. Pro is expensive, but good. However they've decreased the pitiful stipend they used to include in even the ultra plan to the point were it's barely usable. I pivoted back to ChatGPT Pro after the recent downgrade they gave Ultra users. Googles Ultra plan cost 2.5x as much and delivers about half the usage.
    - sureMan6 6mo ago
      Yeah I don't get the user who said Gemini is generous with the quota, I get more use out of codex with the 5 hour limits than Gemini gives me in a week
    - chrisweekly 6mo ago
      Tangent: this is one of those situations where slang is harmful to understanding. When I saw "will absolutely destroy" my first interpretation was a positive connotation. Of course further context made it clear you were being straightforward, and this isn't aimed at you. Along these lines, "drop" has become a problematic term: "Acme co dropped support for Foo" means it's EOL, but "Foo dropped today" implies it just landed. Idioms are hard enough when they don't serve as borderline autoantonyms. To wrap up this extended digression, if anyone else finds this sort of thing interesting, and could use a good laugh, check out Ismo (a standup comic from Finland who makes truly hilarious observations about English as a second language). https://youtu.be/oGmzfjuicE0?si=nL_W75s8UDp1g-zI https://youtu.be/oGmzfjuicE0?si=nL_W75s8UDp1g-zI https://youtu.be/jXcMoHeWaYQ?si=QMi7nEwVWvCZyzbl https://youtu.be/jXcMoHeWaYQ?si=QMi7nEwVWvCZyzbl
      - kridsdale1 6mo ago
        I had the same experience.
    - psychoslave 6mo ago
      > It's like a drunk junior programmer. Thanks for the laugh. :)
walthamstow 6mo ago
It's definitely not as good as Codex or Claude Code but it is cheap. You just have to manage it a bit more. I got a year for free with my phone and I still pay for Codex, so take from that what you will.
jalcazar 6mo ago
I tried it the very first day it was available to Google employees, and it was not usable. Then a few weeks back, I gave it another try and I was pleasantly surprised. It was insanely good! A colleague and I have been on-and-off trying to build a C++ binary against specific Google libraries for months without success. Then, Gemini CLI was able to build the binary after 2-3 days iterating and refining prompts
- kridsdale1 6mo ago
  Hello fellow Googler. Please give Antigravity’s gLinux CLI a try. (That’s not its name but I won’t put an internal code name here, I hope you know what I mean). I moved to it from Gemini CLI last week and it is phenomenally faster and more reliable. It only took about an hour to get all my hooks and skills ported.
asdfasgasdgasdg 6mo ago
I'm using it in antigravity, and fint it quite good. I have not managed to run out of usage on Flash. You can run Pro out of quota almost instantly, they really don't want you to use it if you're not paying $200 a month. I do not use super broad prompts, though. None of this "build me a webapp" stuff. It's more like, "adjust this part of this class to do Y instead of X."
- qingcharles 6mo ago
  Also bonus: using it in Antigravity you can burn through all the Opus credit Google give you first to do all the planning and then switch it to Gemini 3.1 Pro to do the grunt work.
  - xnx 6mo ago
    Have you compared Opus and Gemini to see if Gemini is any worse at planning than Opus?
    - qingcharles 6mo ago
      Yes, Gemini 3.1 Pro (High) is still inferior to Opus 4.6 (Thinking) that Google are offering, for planning. It just doesn't think things through as thoroughly as Opus. I'll use it when I've burned up all my Opus tokens and I still have planning I want to do, but I'll read the plan very carefully, whereas with Opus I'll only give it a cursory scan through.
      - xnx 6mo ago
        Good data point. I would venture 90+% of Claude users have dismissed Gemini without every trying it.
- rjh29 6mo ago
  If you use the Pro model, it can handle fairly broad prompts. Flash is very basic (no thinking)
toraway 6mo ago
Gemini CLI has improved a lot in the past 6 months or so. Back when I used in the 2.5 Pro era it would get stuck in loops literally like 1/8 conversations and I eventually just gave up despite having access included in my AI Pro plan. But last month I picked it up again and it has crushed everything I've thrown at it. As Codex limits tighten on the Plus plan it's been my main fallback and doesn't even feel like a downgrade when I switch over. Haven't hit a single loop so far using it nearly every day for several weeks so that problem seems solved finally, thank god. I've been using it in the auto router mode and haven't felt the need to manually lock in the bigger model yet. It's incredibly snappy which I realized I really appreciate vs. waiting around endlessly for minutes each turn, but I've read other people's experiences needing to manually select the Pro model so YMMV.
0xbadcafebee 6mo ago
> Is Gemini CLI at a usable state? Technically usable but with bad/broken code. I found 3 different bugs with 1 feature, found a duplicate feature (their vibe coding missed the fact that the feature was already implemented), and the docs were wrong. Other features were ridiculously badly implemented. Reported them all, submitted multiple changes. None were accepted. Their repo was a hellscape of AI-generated issues and AI-generated PRs; I think mine was the only one written by a human. This was a month and a half ago. Google is one of the most valuable corporations in the world, yet even they shipped a turd of an app to real customers and can't even take a bug fix. I think AI coding might be cooked.
- rjh29 6mo ago
  It's a vibe coded mess, really depressing from such a large company. You can tell it's AI-driven because they keep adding new useless features but not improving the UX or bug fixing the existing ones. One simple example is you can use @ to reference filenames - but the file list is cached and never updates. Ask Gemini to split a file into two files, then type @ and the new files will never appear. Those kind of extremely basic bugs. But hey, the text has gradient colours...

threecheese 6mo ago

Are you using their TUI, or just their APis in another harness?

freedomben 6mo ago

I got really burned by that quality reduction. I subscribed to the AI pro level, and was using it quite a bit, but I stopped because I had to be super attentive to the output because it would make simple mistakes. It was really a shame, because for a while they're Gemini was the best and the AI pro level would allow you enough usage to use it throughout the day as long as you weren't hammering it

kingleopold 6mo ago

no 15/month does not enough all day? pls dont share wrong info, 3.1 pro CLI sometimes wait 20-30 min thinking sometimes, it's by far worse compared to others.It finishes with few hours of work mostly, but in openai they give you 6 times of that in 24 hours, gemini resets one time a day. It is literally lazy and so many times does half work. I'm a power user for all top models in top 3 AI companies, only Gemini 3.1 waits so long and it's so slow. Even Gemini pro 3 and pro 2.5 was not like this at all

kissickas 6mo ago
Which do you find best? I am using Claude Code but hit the 5-hour limits easily, and burn through the weekly allowance in 3-4 days... and I'm not even using it for work
- kingleopold 6mo ago
  gpt 5.5 is really good, CC is really expensive but it's similar level. Gemini 3.1 and 3 flash are only good for more simple tasks and when work is not the important part of the project
rjh29 6mo ago
"Wrong info" lol. We just have different use patterns or expectations. Saying you're a "AI power user" is not the appeal to authority you think it is. Everybody here is using AI.
- kingleopold 6mo ago
  great comment with lots of information in it, you best!

kissickas 6mo ago

I only see plans for $8, $20, and $250/month... which one are you using exactly? https://gemini.google/subscriptions/ https://gemini.google/subscriptions/

Sabinus 6mo ago
At least the $20 one. The $8 plan has the same cli limits as an unpaid account.
xnx 6mo ago
The Google One plans are also good deals: https://one.google.com/about/google-ai-plans/ https://one.google.com/about/google-ai-plans/
8note 6mo ago
ive got the one that came with my phone. its gotten much better on token limits and up time. i recently reran a screenshot heavy task that i had last run in january, and it was able to keep running overnight and maybe peaked at 40% quota at any time, vs last time id need to resume it maybe twice to get the task to completion
- dr_kiszonka 6mo ago
  Was this a script using the API or something you asked Gemini CLI to do? I burn through Gemini CLI and Antigravity daily quotas in 2 hours on the $20 plan (AI Pro). Or maybe you used an older flash model? I am asking because I am very frustrated with the new quotas and I am hoping to get more mileage out of my subscription.
rjh29 6mo ago
15 GBP so likely $20.
mark_l_watson 6mo ago
I was in their Pro plan for about a year, now on Ultra, and I am planning on downgrading to the cheap $8/month plan and just using OpenCode with a good inference provider because of one thing: I like seeing my token and cost $ usage data in real time. I know this sounds a little crazy, but I like visibility into what resources I am using. I think subscription plans are a little bit evil. Th said, Ultra with the initial half price deal is awesome: all the Opus tokens I need in AntiGravity.

lucb1e 6mo ago

I don't know if people know this, but using it all day (say 8h) costs between 0.7 and about 14 kg of CO2 in the US, depending on which region's grid power they use (or, if they run off of generators, the gCO2e/kWh might be very different from these bounds). With 225 working days per year (assuming no night or weekend use), in the worst region that's 50% of the CO2 the average european person uses in a year, just for this assist function; in the best region (a few counties currently running on 100% hydropower) it makes no difference of course because the energy is running down the hill whether you use it or not. Maybe it could otherwise have been exported or stored but there's only so much interconnect and storage Edit: and this 15$ subscription (again assuming 225×8h use per year divided by 12 months) uses the equivalent of about 150€/month worth of electricity at the rate I'd pay at home. That sounds close to the cost price (ignoring capex on the servers and model training) Google would be able to negotiate with electricity providers. Would be interested in how this works out for them if someone knows

losteric 6mo ago
> using it all day (say 8h) costs between 0.7 and about 14 kg of CO2 in the US, How do you get to this range? That's quite a spread. When I last ran the math, my daily usage (efficient and effective productivity, not spamming Gas Town) came to about 0.67 kg of CO2, which is roughly equivalent to my individual emissions from the 1 mile public bus ride home from work.
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- lucb1e 6mo ago
  Data is from https://app.electricitymaps.com/map https://app.electricitymaps.com/map The difference is so big because renewables are just that much more efficient than coal and, to a lesser extent, natural gas. You can have 60% coming from renewable sources and still emit 400g/kWh with a coal and gas mix, whereas all hydro is 24g/kWh according to that source. The production component is what makes renewables not completely emission-free

nullsanity 6mo ago

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diordiderot 6mo ago

I find it really really slow compared to gpt/Claude

onlyrealcuzzo 6mo ago

I find Gemini to be quite good / acceptable at code review, design, and design review, but it's notably far behind Claude Code for implementation. Are you having better results? Codex is fast and decent, but I REALLY have to stay on top of it. The amount of times it makes executive design decisions on the fly to completely break everything is way too high.

rjh29 6mo ago
I've used it with fairly wide open prompts and also detailed markdown specs and it has no problem making them perfectly, but good code quality requires a bit of follow up work. I either vibe code a whole personal project, or strongly direct it to generate individual changes. It's fine for both. The Pro model is the only good model for complex code and I think it's slower than Claude and Codex.

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rapind 6mo ago

Just a heads up that you cannot opt out of training on any of their "personal" plans (including Ultra) last time I checked. Both Claude and ChatGPT allow you to opt out of training on their paid plans. It would be nice if this was a bit more obvious and clear too.

UncleOxidant 6mo ago

In the past I've usually found that Gemini (pro, flash) would get stuck on a problem and then seemingly start to do some kind of random search trying this and that just burning through tokens. When this would happen I'd switch (in antigravity) to Claude sonnet 4.6 and it would cut right to the chase and find the problem quickly. But the other day I was out of Claude tokens so I went back to Gemini 3.1 Pro and asked about a verilog simulation problem that Claude had been stuck on - and it figured it out in a few minutes.

unethical_ban 6mo ago
Pardon my lack of depth on TFA here but in my experience with work, Gemini is far less accurate on queries about technical commands that Claude or OpenAI. Like, I don't trust it at all. Maybe it has its place but not as a general advisor.
- seanhunter 6mo ago
  I think what you’re seeing here is a difference in the amount of “world knowledge “ encoded in the perceptron parts of the model as opposed to how good the model is at the “transformer” part which you could think of as pure token prediction using only what’s in the context window. If true that would suggest gemini/gemma would be great in a RAG situation where world model isn’t needed as it’s being spoonfed all the relevant information and less good at green field tasks. That’s interesting to me because I have been struggling to understand how gemma4 is so good in my local use and how notebookLM does such a great job does when I give it project docs and yet gemini has always seemed behind claude when I use it cold for stuff.
  - k__ 6mo ago
    That matches my experience. GPT and Claude would work much better than Gemini, even if the direct feedback was sparse or diffuse. However, the moment I gave Gemini a fast testing framework that gave it instant feedback, it would mill through all kind of problems. Claude and GPT are seniors. Gemini is a very motivated mid level.

prodigycorp 6mo ago

This used to be the case, but the changes last month have rendered the Gemini Pro plan completely unusable.

rjh29 6mo ago
For me the sudden drop in quality happened a few months ago, and now it's back to being good again. Likely there's a lot of dynamic tweaking of model quality. Rate limits are still fine for me at least.