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And of course the other chores: cooking, shopping, cleaning, etc. come out of the part you don't particularly enjoy right? Right?

joe_mamba 6mo ago
You mean part time work, which already exists?
- moffkalast 6mo ago
  No I mean that the 19th century 8-8-8 rule is nonsense today, when people's leisure time is being eaten up by their commute and other responsibilities, so it ends up being more like 7 hours sleep, 2 hours hobbies, 15 hours work.
  - joe_mamba 6mo ago
    >No I mean that the 19th century 8-8-8 rule is nonsense today You think 19th century workers had time for 8h of hobbies per day? Let me have what you've been smoking because that's some good stuff. >when people's leisure time is being eaten up by their commute and other responsibilities You think 19th century people had no/less responsibilities? How out of touch do you have to be to see yourself as more oppressed than 19th century workers, when you have abundant food in the supermarkets you don't have to farm, door to door food delivery, online solvable bureaucracy, cars, planes, ambulances and emergency rooms with MRIs, CT scanners and cures for most diseases, OSHA, social security, longest life expectancy ever in the history of mankind, residential heating and cooling at your fingertips, etc. stuff even kings in the 19th century didn't have, a society where you can live a life where you never have to leave your house if you don't want to, yet somehow you think workers had a more leisurely life back then. WHAT?! > 15 hours work. Put yourself in the position of an employer trying to start/run a business today. Are your customers gonna pay you extra so you can pay your workers for their private chores and commute?
Xymist 6mo ago
Yes, ish. Shopping is delivered, cooking is a hobby (or takeaway), cleaning services for a couple of hours a week is often practical even if actually having a full time housekeeper isn't. Convert money from the unenjoyable part into time in the enjoyable part.

joe_mamba 6mo ago

You mean part time work, which already exists?

moffkalast 6mo ago
No I mean that the 19th century 8-8-8 rule is nonsense today, when people's leisure time is being eaten up by their commute and other responsibilities, so it ends up being more like 7 hours sleep, 2 hours hobbies, 15 hours work.
- joe_mamba 6mo ago
  >No I mean that the 19th century 8-8-8 rule is nonsense today You think 19th century workers had time for 8h of hobbies per day? Let me have what you've been smoking because that's some good stuff. >when people's leisure time is being eaten up by their commute and other responsibilities You think 19th century people had no/less responsibilities? How out of touch do you have to be to see yourself as more oppressed than 19th century workers, when you have abundant food in the supermarkets you don't have to farm, door to door food delivery, online solvable bureaucracy, cars, planes, ambulances and emergency rooms with MRIs, CT scanners and cures for most diseases, OSHA, social security, longest life expectancy ever in the history of mankind, residential heating and cooling at your fingertips, etc. stuff even kings in the 19th century didn't have, a society where you can live a life where you never have to leave your house if you don't want to, yet somehow you think workers had a more leisurely life back then. WHAT?! > 15 hours work. Put yourself in the position of an employer trying to start/run a business today. Are your customers gonna pay you extra so you can pay your workers for their private chores and commute?

Xymist 6mo ago

Yes, ish. Shopping is delivered, cooking is a hobby (or takeaway), cleaning services for a couple of hours a week is often practical even if actually having a full time housekeeper isn't. Convert money from the unenjoyable part into time in the enjoyable part.