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> I'd be more concerned with "your model can't be too woke" regulatory scenarios. Honestly that's exactly where my mind went. We already see the current admini

by giwook 5mo ago

> I'd be more concerned with "your model can't be too woke" regulatory scenarios. Honestly that's exactly where my mind went. We already see the current administration trying to censor free speech (e.g. Jimmy Kimmel, blocking/restricting press access to the White House unless you are pro-Trump). I'm afraid of the potential to move in the direction of what we see in China where queries to LLMs referencing things like Tianenmen Square are censored (at best).

pphysch 5mo ago
> I'm afraid of the potential to move in the direction of what we see in China where queries to LLMs referencing things like Tianenmen Square are censored (at best). We are already there. "Canva admits its AI tool removed 'Palestine' from designs: https://gizmodo.com/canva-admits-its-ai-tool-removed-palestine-from-designs-apologizes-for-any-distress-it-caused-2000751215 https://gizmodo.com/canva-admits-its-ai-tool-removed-palesti...
gardenhedge 5mo ago
I'm not american but it seems like americans are MORE free to speak their minds now than before in terms of being banned/silenced by dominating online platforms
- AlecSchueler 5mo ago
  The government literally removed research into trans-fats because of their transphobia. Much free speech
- giwook 5mo ago
  Not sure what you're trying to say here, but I get the sense you don't have enough information as to what's going on here (nothing wrong with that, I've been trying to tune out myself). Regardless: "...an increasing number of travelers report being questioned about legally protected online speech when crossing the border." https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/travel/airport-border-phone-search.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/travel/airport-border-pho...
  - gardenhedge 5mo ago
    I am saying it "seems like americans are MORE free to speak their minds now than before in terms of being banned/silenced by dominating online platforms". Previously you could not post about certain subjects around covid, ivermectin, anything not in line with woke ideology, political scandals. Accounts would be banned. Communities were shut down on Reddit. High profile figures were banned from Twitter. Now you can post whatever you like on most of these platforms. That's not just me who thinks that by the way, it's a widely discussed thing. Zuckerberg even cited government pressure around content suppression and censorship. Do you disagree?
    - ceejayoz 5mo ago
      > High profile figures were banned from Twitter. One of Musk's first acts as owner was to do that. https://x.com/elonjet https://x.com/elonjet (and the journalists reporting on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2022_Twitter_suspensions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2022_Twitter_suspensi...) (After previously explicitly promising not to, citing… freedom of speech! https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456) Bunch more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspensions_on_X#2023 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspensions_on_X#2023 > anything not in line with woke ideology How did so many Republican politicians survive on there?! > Now you can post whatever you like on most of these platforms. As long as it isn't the word "cisgender". https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/elon-musk-free-speech-twitter-will-treat-cisgender-slur https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/elon-musk-free-speec... Or a link to Mastodon. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63999452 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63999452 > Zuckerberg even cited government pressure around content suppression and censorship. To curry favor with the new admin, sure. > Accounts would be banned. Communities were shut down on Reddit. This happens regularly, today. https://www.reddit.com/r/BannedSubs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/BannedSubs/
      - gardenhedge 5mo ago
        Even with these examples, my comment still stands. I guess it could show how bad it was before!

by giwook 5mo ago

pphysch 5mo ago

> I'm afraid of the potential to move in the direction of what we see in China where queries to LLMs referencing things like Tianenmen Square are censored (at best). We are already there. "Canva admits its AI tool removed 'Palestine' from designs: https://gizmodo.com/canva-admits-its-ai-tool-removed-palestine-from-designs-apologizes-for-any-distress-it-caused-2000751215 https://gizmodo.com/canva-admits-its-ai-tool-removed-palesti...

gardenhedge 5mo ago

I'm not american but it seems like americans are MORE free to speak their minds now than before in terms of being banned/silenced by dominating online platforms

AlecSchueler 5mo ago
The government literally removed research into trans-fats because of their transphobia. Much free speech
giwook 5mo ago
Not sure what you're trying to say here, but I get the sense you don't have enough information as to what's going on here (nothing wrong with that, I've been trying to tune out myself). Regardless: "...an increasing number of travelers report being questioned about legally protected online speech when crossing the border." https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/travel/airport-border-phone-search.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/travel/airport-border-pho...
- gardenhedge 5mo ago
  I am saying it "seems like americans are MORE free to speak their minds now than before in terms of being banned/silenced by dominating online platforms". Previously you could not post about certain subjects around covid, ivermectin, anything not in line with woke ideology, political scandals. Accounts would be banned. Communities were shut down on Reddit. High profile figures were banned from Twitter. Now you can post whatever you like on most of these platforms. That's not just me who thinks that by the way, it's a widely discussed thing. Zuckerberg even cited government pressure around content suppression and censorship. Do you disagree?
  - ceejayoz 5mo ago
    > High profile figures were banned from Twitter. One of Musk's first acts as owner was to do that. https://x.com/elonjet https://x.com/elonjet (and the journalists reporting on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2022_Twitter_suspensions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2022_Twitter_suspensi...) (After previously explicitly promising not to, citing… freedom of speech! https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456) Bunch more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspensions_on_X#2023 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspensions_on_X#2023 > anything not in line with woke ideology How did so many Republican politicians survive on there?! > Now you can post whatever you like on most of these platforms. As long as it isn't the word "cisgender". https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/elon-musk-free-speech-twitter-will-treat-cisgender-slur https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/elon-musk-free-speec... Or a link to Mastodon. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63999452 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63999452 > Zuckerberg even cited government pressure around content suppression and censorship. To curry favor with the new admin, sure. > Accounts would be banned. Communities were shut down on Reddit. This happens regularly, today. https://www.reddit.com/r/BannedSubs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/BannedSubs/
    - gardenhedge 5mo ago
      Even with these examples, my comment still stands. I guess it could show how bad it was before!