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>a kWh is equal to a kWh Yes, and it's none of your business how other people spend their electricity.
by frozenseven 6mo ago
>a kWh is equal to a kWh
Yes, and it's none of your business how other people spend their electricity.
- vrganj 6mo agoThat's where we disagree. With our current system so reliant on fossil fuels, every kWh generated is a debt to our planet, our society. Until that's resolved, I don't wish that debt incurred for frivolous uses.
- frozenseven 6mo agoWhat do you mean you "disagree"? I pay for the electricity I use and I use it however I want. Instead of trying to control other people, why can't you start with yourself? Throw away your phone/computer. Go live in a small hut. Practice what you preach.
- vrganj 6mo agoYou read what I wrote, you just chose not to engage with it and went into an ideological creed instead. You may pay for it, but I and the rest of the planet incur the cost. I can go live the life of a hermit and the above will still be true. Your electricity use puts more pollution into our air. It burns our forests. It kills species we all depend on. No man is an island. Your actions affect others. Just paying your indulgences does not make that basic fact away.
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- vrganj 6mo agoStill no engagement with actual arguments brought up several posts ago at this point. Still more attempts at derailment. Speaks for itself. I shall leave it at this then.
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- dml2135 6mo agoYou are not paying for the total cost of the electricity you use. You pay for a portion of it, in money. The other portion of it is belched up into the atmosphere for future generations to pay. You are incurring debt and forcing it upon others.
- frozenseven 6mo ago>You are incurring debt and forcing it upon others. You seem to have no problem whatsoever with using electricity yourself. So when do you get to tell me (or anyone else) how to live? And when does it stop? Btw, this is all bizarrely dramatic since we were talking about small local models anyway. >future generations Yeah, and some will also say (using the same arguments) that having children is harmful to the planet and we need "measures" to limit that too.
- vrganj 6mo agoWhy do you get to tell me (or anyone else) how to live? Why do you get to decide that burning my forest is acceptable?
- frozenseven 6mo agoNot interested, go away.
- dml2135 6mo agoI’m not telling you to do one thing or another. I’m taking issue with your argument that because you pay an electric bill, it follows that you can do whatever you want. That does not follow logically for me. As humans we disagree about many things, but we generally agree that things that we do often affect others, so one way or another, we need to come together and decide which things are agreed to be acceptable and which things are not.
- frozenseven 5mo agoAnd I'm not inclined to entertain this nonsense, not even as a hypothetical. I'm not giving up on my most basic and fundamental rights, doubly so when these draconian restrictions won't apply to the people who want to impose them.