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Haha I would think New Zealand would be in a similar situation to Australia. Australia would be fine - we export 2/3 of our produce so have no problem. This s

by dwd 5mo ago

Haha I would think New Zealand would be in a similar situation to Australia. Australia would be fine - we export 2/3 of our produce so have no problem. This study doesn't seem to account for trade, consumer choice and price differentials world-wide. We don't grow some produce because it's easier/cheaper to import and any local producer may struggle on price, unless they can differentiate on something else like organic. As for fish, we prefer to maintain sustainable local fish stocks, and choose import. We're screwed on coffee and chocolate.

femto 5mo ago
> As for fish, we prefer to maintain sustainable local fish stocks, and choose import. There's hard evidence for this in the form of a map [1]. The light pixels close to the Australian coastline are Australian vessels fishing close in. The solid light areas further from the coast are other countries' vessels stripping the ocean bare. It's particularly obvious to the north east of Australia, where the solid line is the edge of Australia's exclusive economic zone. Minimal activity (dark) inside the zone, being stripped bare (light) outside the zone. China may be listed as self-sufficient in fish, but its fish are not coming from near China [2]. Mind you, Australia's not helping if it's just buying from countries that are stripping stocks. [1] https://globalfishingwatch.org/map/index?longitude=126.00884255644853&latitude=-6.3323821927544675&zoom=3.742998991643083 https://globalfishingwatch.org/map/index?longitude=126.00884... [2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-19/how-china-is-plundering-the-worlds-oceans/12971422 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-19/how-china-is-plunderi... > We're screwed on coffee and chocolate. If things get desperate, AU does have small coffee and cacao goring industries! https://www.agca.au/ https://www.agca.au/ https://www.thechocolateprofessor.com/blog/australian-cacao https://www.thechocolateprofessor.com/blog/australian-cacao
- maxglute 5mo ago
  >China may be listed as self-sufficient in fish, but its fish are not coming from near China PRC fishing is ~85% domestic aquaculture. THE HIGHEST RATIO OF SUSTAINABLE AQUACULTURE IN THE WROLD. Of 15% remaining wild catch, ~50% is from east sea, i.e. PRC coast. So ~95% self sufficiency. ~98% including SCS, i.e. PRC definition of sovereign waters. Functionally, self sufficiency is at 100%, since PRC large aquaculture exporter. All the distant fishing drama/propaganda is just 2-5% of PRC fishing, which per capita they underfish relative other major fishing distant water fishing actors like JP, SKR, TW, Spain etc. For reference PRC distant water catches like 1.5kg per capita, the others 3-30kg+, i.e. 2-20x PRC. TLDR is PRC is the largest aquaculture producer (absolute&relative) that also grossly under extracts from global commons relative to other DWF, unless one thinks PRC citizens entitled to less fish.
  - irishcoffee 5mo ago
    Hey maxglute, I could post verbatim what you did, changing only numbers. Without a reliable source, your numbers are meaningless. Trying to find an honest source about chinese economics is not possible, they don’t exist. This isn’t a conspiracy theory, it’s widely known. The prc doesn’t divulge this information accurately.
    - maxglute 5mo ago
      [flagged]
      - maxglute 5mo ago
        E: correction: countering PRC act is 500m per year
        irishcoffee 5mo ago
        Nobody read that post, I wouldn’t bother correcting it.
        maxglute 5mo ago
        It's no trouble.
      - ImPostingOnHN 5mo ago
        I've got no dog in the hunt here, but one appropriate response to an observation that you provided no sources, would be to provide sources. What you did instead, which is assert unsourced numbers harder, while attacking the messenger, is not appropriate. Wait! Before you reply: Attacking another messenger (me) for making another observation (the one above) would also not be inappropriate. Feel free to not cite anything, though, that's totally your call.
        maxglute 5mo ago

by dwd 5mo ago

femto 5mo ago

> As for fish, we prefer to maintain sustainable local fish stocks, and choose import. There's hard evidence for this in the form of a map [1]. The light pixels close to the Australian coastline are Australian vessels fishing close in. The solid light areas further from the coast are other countries' vessels stripping the ocean bare. It's particularly obvious to the north east of Australia, where the solid line is the edge of Australia's exclusive economic zone. Minimal activity (dark) inside the zone, being stripped bare (light) outside the zone. China may be listed as self-sufficient in fish, but its fish are not coming from near China [2]. Mind you, Australia's not helping if it's just buying from countries that are stripping stocks. [1] https://globalfishingwatch.org/map/index?longitude=126.00884255644853&latitude=-6.3323821927544675&zoom=3.742998991643083 https://globalfishingwatch.org/map/index?longitude=126.00884... [2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-19/how-china-is-plundering-the-worlds-oceans/12971422 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-19/how-china-is-plunderi... > We're screwed on coffee and chocolate. If things get desperate, AU does have small coffee and cacao goring industries! https://www.agca.au/ https://www.agca.au/ https://www.thechocolateprofessor.com/blog/australian-cacao https://www.thechocolateprofessor.com/blog/australian-cacao

maxglute 5mo ago
>China may be listed as self-sufficient in fish, but its fish are not coming from near China PRC fishing is ~85% domestic aquaculture. THE HIGHEST RATIO OF SUSTAINABLE AQUACULTURE IN THE WROLD. Of 15% remaining wild catch, ~50% is from east sea, i.e. PRC coast. So ~95% self sufficiency. ~98% including SCS, i.e. PRC definition of sovereign waters. Functionally, self sufficiency is at 100%, since PRC large aquaculture exporter. All the distant fishing drama/propaganda is just 2-5% of PRC fishing, which per capita they underfish relative other major fishing distant water fishing actors like JP, SKR, TW, Spain etc. For reference PRC distant water catches like 1.5kg per capita, the others 3-30kg+, i.e. 2-20x PRC. TLDR is PRC is the largest aquaculture producer (absolute&relative) that also grossly under extracts from global commons relative to other DWF, unless one thinks PRC citizens entitled to less fish.
- irishcoffee 5mo ago
  Hey maxglute, I could post verbatim what you did, changing only numbers. Without a reliable source, your numbers are meaningless. Trying to find an honest source about chinese economics is not possible, they don’t exist. This isn’t a conspiracy theory, it’s widely known. The prc doesn’t divulge this information accurately.
  - maxglute 5mo ago
    [flagged]
    - maxglute 5mo ago
      E: correction: countering PRC act is 500m per year
      - irishcoffee 5mo ago
        Nobody read that post, I wouldn’t bother correcting it.
        maxglute 5mo ago
        It's no trouble.
    - ImPostingOnHN 5mo ago
      I've got no dog in the hunt here, but one appropriate response to an observation that you provided no sources, would be to provide sources. What you did instead, which is assert unsourced numbers harder, while attacking the messenger, is not appropriate. Wait! Before you reply: Attacking another messenger (me) for making another observation (the one above) would also not be inappropriate. Feel free to not cite anything, though, that's totally your call.
      - maxglute 5mo ago