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> what looks like a massive undertaking for vibe coding fwiw, I suspect it's less of an undertaking than you may think. I've been playing with AI to rewrite Po

> what looks like a massive undertaking for vibe coding fwiw, I suspect it's less of an undertaking than you may think. I've been playing with AI to rewrite Postgres in Rust[0] over the past couple of weeks and I found the AI to be exceptional at doing rewrites. Having an existing codebase you can reference prevents a lot of the problems you have with vibecoding. You have an existing architecture that works well and have a test suite that you can test against Over the course of a month I've gone from nothing to passing over 95% of the Postgres test suite. Given Jarred built Bun, I bet he'll be able to go much faster [0] https://github.com/malisper/pgrust https://github.com/malisper/pgrust

nailer 5mo ago
> I suspect it's less of an undertaking than you may think... having an existing codebase you can reference prevents a lot of the problems you have with vibecoding. That's because it's not vibe coding - stingraycharles doesn't seem to understand what vibe coding is. Vibe coding was defined here https://x.com/karpathy/status/1886192184808149383 https://x.com/karpathy/status/1886192184808149383 > There's a new kind of coding I call “vibe coding”, where you fully give in to the vibes, embrace exponentials, and forget that the code even exists. This is very far from Anthropic's migration plans.
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- andai 5mo ago
  Yeah, it's a distinction worth making, and the language for making it kind of sucks. Vibe coding means "AI does the whole thing", or "I use tab autocomplete" depending on who you ask. It's not a very useful term anymore, we need better ones. My benchmark is basically, "are you letting the AI drive." In this case, an AI appears to have written the migration guide...
  - wrs 5mo ago
    It was and is a perfectly good term, but people started using it without regard for its definition. I don't know why people wouldn't misuse a "better" term the same way.
    - kelnos 5mo ago
      In this case I think the current zeitgeist (at least among zoomers and younger millennials) really loves the word "vibe". Once they hear of the term "vibe coding", they just want to be able to say it, even if what they're doing isn't really vibe coding. And then that leaks outside their social and age groups, because other people hear the incorrect usage, get confused, and incorporate that confusion into their own use of the term.
      - uncircle 5mo ago
        Waiting until they decide to call non-assisted programming ‘unc coding’
        kelnos 5mo ago
        As someone who might be described as an "unc", I had to look up what "unc" meant.
  - c0rruptbytes 5mo ago
    i mean AI docs are usually the result of collabs between users and AI using /plan with superpowers, i see a lot of specs -> impl plan -> execute plan
    - andai 5mo ago
      Yeah. It "might be" that a human actually looked at it. There's just no way to know anymore. So it rightly doesn't inspire confidence.
- bitwize 5mo ago
  "Vibe coding" = "let Dario take the wheel" as ThePrimeagen puts it.
- brabel 5mo ago
  You are right but recently, vibe coding has become a demeaning term for AI assisted code by anti-AI people. It’s interesting seeing how words evolve very quickly on the internet as they spread to different demographics.
- Jtarii 5mo ago
  That is one person's definition of vibe coding, not "the definition" of vibe coding. Words have multiple meanings.
  - andai 5mo ago
    Just going off vibes and not even looking at the code was the original definition. But "different people say the same thing but mean different things" is kind of the problem I was getting at.
  - nailer 5mo ago
    It’s the person that created the term’s definition.
    - Jtarii 5mo ago
      Language and culture don't work like that. Inventing a term doesn't give you exclusive rights to provide the definition.
      - nailer 5mo ago
        Yes but it's been a little over 14 months.

nailer 5mo ago

> I suspect it's less of an undertaking than you may think... having an existing codebase you can reference prevents a lot of the problems you have with vibecoding. That's because it's not vibe coding - stingraycharles doesn't seem to understand what vibe coding is. Vibe coding was defined here https://x.com/karpathy/status/1886192184808149383 https://x.com/karpathy/status/1886192184808149383 > There's a new kind of coding I call “vibe coding”, where you fully give in to the vibes, embrace exponentials, and forget that the code even exists. This is very far from Anthropic's migration plans.

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andai 5mo ago
Yeah, it's a distinction worth making, and the language for making it kind of sucks. Vibe coding means "AI does the whole thing", or "I use tab autocomplete" depending on who you ask. It's not a very useful term anymore, we need better ones. My benchmark is basically, "are you letting the AI drive." In this case, an AI appears to have written the migration guide...
- wrs 5mo ago
  It was and is a perfectly good term, but people started using it without regard for its definition. I don't know why people wouldn't misuse a "better" term the same way.
  - kelnos 5mo ago
    In this case I think the current zeitgeist (at least among zoomers and younger millennials) really loves the word "vibe". Once they hear of the term "vibe coding", they just want to be able to say it, even if what they're doing isn't really vibe coding. And then that leaks outside their social and age groups, because other people hear the incorrect usage, get confused, and incorporate that confusion into their own use of the term.
    - uncircle 5mo ago
      Waiting until they decide to call non-assisted programming ‘unc coding’
      - kelnos 5mo ago
        As someone who might be described as an "unc", I had to look up what "unc" meant.
- c0rruptbytes 5mo ago
  i mean AI docs are usually the result of collabs between users and AI using /plan with superpowers, i see a lot of specs -> impl plan -> execute plan
  - andai 5mo ago
    Yeah. It "might be" that a human actually looked at it. There's just no way to know anymore. So it rightly doesn't inspire confidence.
bitwize 5mo ago
"Vibe coding" = "let Dario take the wheel" as ThePrimeagen puts it.
brabel 5mo ago
You are right but recently, vibe coding has become a demeaning term for AI assisted code by anti-AI people. It’s interesting seeing how words evolve very quickly on the internet as they spread to different demographics.
Jtarii 5mo ago
That is one person's definition of vibe coding, not "the definition" of vibe coding. Words have multiple meanings.
- andai 5mo ago
  Just going off vibes and not even looking at the code was the original definition. But "different people say the same thing but mean different things" is kind of the problem I was getting at.
- nailer 5mo ago
  It’s the person that created the term’s definition.
  - Jtarii 5mo ago
    Language and culture don't work like that. Inventing a term doesn't give you exclusive rights to provide the definition.
    - nailer 5mo ago
      Yes but it's been a little over 14 months.