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And how exactly will someone do that. Many of the people living in the impacted area are below the poverty line and living paycheck to paycheck at best. How a

And how exactly will someone do that. Many of the people living in the impacted area are below the poverty line and living paycheck to paycheck at best. How are they supposed to put together funds to relocate. Especially if their property is worth nothing. The minority of people privileged enough to be able to relocate will do that. The majority are stuck.

alex43578 5mo ago
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- munificent 5mo ago
  > If you’re genuinely that poor, moving is cheap. Abandon the implied worthless property, catch a greyhound out of town. When you're genuinely poor, your local community is a critical survival tool that can't be discarded. You've spent your whole life building a set of relationships through mutual help. When your car dies and you can't afford to go to a mechanic, you have a friend of a friend who can fix cars who owes you one since you helped replace his fence a few years back. That kind of thing, but every day, in a hundred ways. Throwing that out to move to a city where you have nothing is a great way to end up homeless.
  - alex43578 5mo ago
    And by this article, staying in New Orleans is a great way to be poor, lose that network, and still end up homeless and literally underwater again. Nobody is making them move, but moving out of New Orleans certainly seems like the better play, even if it carries risk.
- habinero 5mo ago
  Move with what money? And go where? If they have property, sell to who, exactly? "Instant" lol. Gently, you talk like someone who's never even been broke, let alone been poor.
  - alex43578 5mo ago
    A greyhound to Atlanta is $75. It’s not nothing to someone on a minimum wage/fixed income, but would be attainable within two months by saving about a dollar a day. Keep in mind, that’s the “extreme global poverty” standard for countries like South Sudan. Sell to whomever - but again, what property do they have if they are so poor they can’t afford a $75 bus ticket with notice? It’s always a Schrödinger’s poor person who simultaneously has a valuable property that’s also worthless, tied to a job but has 0 income, has a car but can’t travel, and is broke but can’t qualify for the plethora of government benefits they can receive anywhere.
    - adi_kurian 5mo ago
      You should go to St Roch or Treme and inspire the locals with your dynamism. You could even bring bootsraps!
      - selimthegrim 5mo ago
        He’s not inspiring me, and he won’t inspire their pitbulls. And by the way, I fulfill all of his Schrödinger’s poor person criteria, except for the first one about property. And I’m far from the only one here.
- wat10000 5mo ago
  If you’re genuinely poor then moving is cheap when viewed by someone who isn’t poor. Moving as a renter isn’t free. You’ll need to come up with a security deposit and coming up with two months of rent at once is not easy. Your slumlord landlord is going to keep your old one regardless of merit or law, so don’t think you can use that money. Convincing a new landlord that you’re a good risk is also not going to be easy when you’ve just moved and don’t have a job, so you’re looking at spending on a hotel for a while unless you’re lucky enough to know someone well enough to couch surf.
  - alex43578 5mo ago
    If the article is to be believed, nobody is getting their deposits back in the coming decades when everything is under water. But again, if you genuinely can't move with a decade or more of notice because of a security deposit, there's something deeply wrong with how you are managing money and making decisions.
    - wat10000 5mo ago
      Oh yeah, I forgot that it’s their own fault that poor people are poor.
      - alex43578 5mo ago
        If, with 10 years notice, you can’t pull together a deposit, first/last month’s rent, and the $50 for a U-haul to move out of a city that will literally end up underwater, yes - it is your fault.
        wat10000 5mo ago
        Thanks for demonstrating the ongoing justification for this username.
- hackable_sand 5mo ago
  You are wildly out of touch
  - lioeters 5mo ago
    "Catch a greyhound out of town" is the "Let them eat cake" for the poor and homeless (sorry "unhoused") of New Orleans. Empathy is for the weak, said the oppressor.
    - alex43578 5mo ago
      Billions have been spent rebuilding New Orleans once. Per the article, there's no realistic way to save New Orleans going forward. It's sad, it's unfortunate, it's reality. The poor and homeless of Louisiana are already receiving massive benefits: 4th in the country for the share of households on welfare, 18% of the population on food stamps, $14B+ in FY23 of federal dollars went to welfare/TANF/Medicaid/etc.
      - ykonstant 5mo ago
        Damn, those poor and homeless are really living it up.
        alex43578 5mo ago
        Is the solution to further mortgage working and contributing citizens' futures via our exploding national debt, just to throw more cash at them? California spends $40K+ a year, per homeless person, but saw the homeless population grow and the problem get worse. For welfare, consider that a single parent with two school-age children who earns $11,000 annually from part-time work ends up qualifying for $64,128 in cash, aid, and benefits. The same family earning $64,128 by actually working wouldn’t be eligible for any of these welfare benefits in four-fifths of the states.
        lioeters 5mo ago
        For $14B+ we could have solved poverty and homelessness for all of New Orleans. Where did the money go? Not to the poor, obviously. The system is broken by design.
rayiner 5mo ago
The “majority” of people aren’t so poor they can’t move over the multi-decade timescale this article is talking about. This country has a huge level of internal migration. 17 million Americans move every year. Why do people have these blinders where they can’t view any issue except from the perspective of the minority of people who don’t have any resources? Why are so many people moving to places like Florida that are threatened by climate change?
- habinero 5mo ago
  Because, friend, a lot of people believe climate change is a lib conspiracy theory. And people bring it up because a lot of folks in New Orleans couldn't afford to flee Katrina and 700 people died. It was kind of an enormous humanitarian disaster. If we don't talk about it, nothing will happen to stop it.
- AuthAuth 5mo ago
  >Why do people have these blinders where they can’t view any issue except from the perspective of the minority of people who don’t have any resources I believe its because these people are young and repeating what they hear or they are old but have lived an insulated life and assume that people really cannot handle any upset in their life.
- wat10000 5mo ago
  It’s not about being unable to view the issue except from that one perspective. It’s about having an aversion to mass suffering, and recognizing that this group will be subject to it. You’re basically saying, why are you so worried about all of these people who will have their lives destroyed when there are a bunch of other people who will be totally fine? I hope that when it’s put that way, you can see how ridiculous it is.
  - rayiner 5mo ago
    No, it's an emotional obsession with small percentages of the population that makes it impossible to discuss realistic solutions to problems that affect everyone. New Orleans is going to be underwater. That problem won't just affect poor people, it will affect everyone. So the first order of business is to encourage anyone who can do so to leave New Orleans to go somewhere that isn't underwater. That's the policy that's going to avoid the greatest amount of harm to the greatest number of people at the lowest cost.

alex43578 5mo ago

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munificent 5mo ago
> If you’re genuinely that poor, moving is cheap. Abandon the implied worthless property, catch a greyhound out of town. When you're genuinely poor, your local community is a critical survival tool that can't be discarded. You've spent your whole life building a set of relationships through mutual help. When your car dies and you can't afford to go to a mechanic, you have a friend of a friend who can fix cars who owes you one since you helped replace his fence a few years back. That kind of thing, but every day, in a hundred ways. Throwing that out to move to a city where you have nothing is a great way to end up homeless.
- alex43578 5mo ago
  And by this article, staying in New Orleans is a great way to be poor, lose that network, and still end up homeless and literally underwater again. Nobody is making them move, but moving out of New Orleans certainly seems like the better play, even if it carries risk.
habinero 5mo ago
Move with what money? And go where? If they have property, sell to who, exactly? "Instant" lol. Gently, you talk like someone who's never even been broke, let alone been poor.
- alex43578 5mo ago
  A greyhound to Atlanta is $75. It’s not nothing to someone on a minimum wage/fixed income, but would be attainable within two months by saving about a dollar a day. Keep in mind, that’s the “extreme global poverty” standard for countries like South Sudan. Sell to whomever - but again, what property do they have if they are so poor they can’t afford a $75 bus ticket with notice? It’s always a Schrödinger’s poor person who simultaneously has a valuable property that’s also worthless, tied to a job but has 0 income, has a car but can’t travel, and is broke but can’t qualify for the plethora of government benefits they can receive anywhere.
  - adi_kurian 5mo ago
    You should go to St Roch or Treme and inspire the locals with your dynamism. You could even bring bootsraps!
    - selimthegrim 5mo ago
      He’s not inspiring me, and he won’t inspire their pitbulls. And by the way, I fulfill all of his Schrödinger’s poor person criteria, except for the first one about property. And I’m far from the only one here.
wat10000 5mo ago
If you’re genuinely poor then moving is cheap when viewed by someone who isn’t poor. Moving as a renter isn’t free. You’ll need to come up with a security deposit and coming up with two months of rent at once is not easy. Your slumlord landlord is going to keep your old one regardless of merit or law, so don’t think you can use that money. Convincing a new landlord that you’re a good risk is also not going to be easy when you’ve just moved and don’t have a job, so you’re looking at spending on a hotel for a while unless you’re lucky enough to know someone well enough to couch surf.
- alex43578 5mo ago
  If the article is to be believed, nobody is getting their deposits back in the coming decades when everything is under water. But again, if you genuinely can't move with a decade or more of notice because of a security deposit, there's something deeply wrong with how you are managing money and making decisions.
  - wat10000 5mo ago
    Oh yeah, I forgot that it’s their own fault that poor people are poor.
    - alex43578 5mo ago
      If, with 10 years notice, you can’t pull together a deposit, first/last month’s rent, and the $50 for a U-haul to move out of a city that will literally end up underwater, yes - it is your fault.
      - wat10000 5mo ago
        Thanks for demonstrating the ongoing justification for this username.
hackable_sand 5mo ago
You are wildly out of touch
- lioeters 5mo ago
  "Catch a greyhound out of town" is the "Let them eat cake" for the poor and homeless (sorry "unhoused") of New Orleans. Empathy is for the weak, said the oppressor.
  - alex43578 5mo ago
    Billions have been spent rebuilding New Orleans once. Per the article, there's no realistic way to save New Orleans going forward. It's sad, it's unfortunate, it's reality. The poor and homeless of Louisiana are already receiving massive benefits: 4th in the country for the share of households on welfare, 18% of the population on food stamps, $14B+ in FY23 of federal dollars went to welfare/TANF/Medicaid/etc.
    - ykonstant 5mo ago
      Damn, those poor and homeless are really living it up.
      - alex43578 5mo ago
        Is the solution to further mortgage working and contributing citizens' futures via our exploding national debt, just to throw more cash at them? California spends $40K+ a year, per homeless person, but saw the homeless population grow and the problem get worse. For welfare, consider that a single parent with two school-age children who earns $11,000 annually from part-time work ends up qualifying for $64,128 in cash, aid, and benefits. The same family earning $64,128 by actually working wouldn’t be eligible for any of these welfare benefits in four-fifths of the states.
        lioeters 5mo ago
        For $14B+ we could have solved poverty and homelessness for all of New Orleans. Where did the money go? Not to the poor, obviously. The system is broken by design.

rayiner 5mo ago

The “majority” of people aren’t so poor they can’t move over the multi-decade timescale this article is talking about. This country has a huge level of internal migration. 17 million Americans move every year. Why do people have these blinders where they can’t view any issue except from the perspective of the minority of people who don’t have any resources? Why are so many people moving to places like Florida that are threatened by climate change?

habinero 5mo ago
Because, friend, a lot of people believe climate change is a lib conspiracy theory. And people bring it up because a lot of folks in New Orleans couldn't afford to flee Katrina and 700 people died. It was kind of an enormous humanitarian disaster. If we don't talk about it, nothing will happen to stop it.
AuthAuth 5mo ago
>Why do people have these blinders where they can’t view any issue except from the perspective of the minority of people who don’t have any resources I believe its because these people are young and repeating what they hear or they are old but have lived an insulated life and assume that people really cannot handle any upset in their life.
wat10000 5mo ago
It’s not about being unable to view the issue except from that one perspective. It’s about having an aversion to mass suffering, and recognizing that this group will be subject to it. You’re basically saying, why are you so worried about all of these people who will have their lives destroyed when there are a bunch of other people who will be totally fine? I hope that when it’s put that way, you can see how ridiculous it is.
- rayiner 5mo ago
  No, it's an emotional obsession with small percentages of the population that makes it impossible to discuss realistic solutions to problems that affect everyone. New Orleans is going to be underwater. That problem won't just affect poor people, it will affect everyone. So the first order of business is to encourage anyone who can do so to leave New Orleans to go somewhere that isn't underwater. That's the policy that's going to avoid the greatest amount of harm to the greatest number of people at the lowest cost.