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You just said "where it fails" and then state hard to claim it not working. If you call it Full Self Driving and it doesn't fully self drive, then it doesn't wo

You just said "where it fails" and then state hard to claim it not working. If you call it Full Self Driving and it doesn't fully self drive, then it doesn't work. Not really sure where the confusion is. It's not water under the bridge. It is what it is. They claimed it would be fully self driving and not some lane/speed maintenance that pretty much all car makers can do now. It was straight up explained to drive the car. Any deviation from that means it is not working and people like you willingly accepting what Musk has lied about for years trying to make the rest of us out to be the weird ones for not falling for it. I'm tired of the gaslighting.

goosejuice 6mo ago
> lane/speed maintenance that pretty much all car makers can do now What car can I buy in the US today that's as good as the latest fsd?
- dylan604 6mo ago
  So many cars come with lane assist and adaptive cruise control. You can google those terms for yourself. I don't bother with lmgtfy requests. You're a big boy/girl, and teaching you to fish it much better effort. They also don't cost an additional $10k on top of the price of the car. They are just part of the price of the car.
  - scottyah 6mo ago
    Maybe the lmgtfy would be a good exercise for you. Ford's BlueCruise, GM's SuperCruise, Rivian's Autonomy+, and Mercedes-Benz’s Drive Pilot all cost money.
    - goosejuice 6mo ago
      Indeed and none of those work outside of (select) highways. Lucid also has DreamDrive, but it's fairly poor from what I've seen. BYD's God's Eye is in the news, and it isn't looking good either. I'd love to see good competition in this space, but it seems Tesla has a healthy moat.
      - amanaplanacanal 6mo ago
        The moat will seem pretty shallow when Google starts licensing their technology.
        goosejuice 6mo ago
        I'd love to see waymo adapted to a consumer vehicle, but I have high doubts that this will happen any time soon. I know Waymo has a partnership with Toyota but they don't even have a competitive EV.
    - dylan604 6mo ago
      Maybe re-reading what I wrote would help you lmgtfy.
      - philipallstar 6mo ago
        So are they part of the price of the car, or are they a subscription?
- Sohcahtoa82 6mo ago
  Literally every non-budget brand (and even some of the budget brands) offers automatic lane keeping with traffic-aware cruise control somewhere in their fleet. It might only be on their flagship vehicles, and possibly only on the top trims, but you're living in a Tesla-decorated cave if you think those are still Tesla-only features. On a Tesla, it's not even an FSD-specific feature. Autopilot does it.
  - goosejuice 6mo ago
    FSD isn't basic ADAS. You could just say no.
philipallstar 6mo ago
Exactly. It's like calling an airplane system "autopilot" but pilots are still involved.

goosejuice 6mo ago

> lane/speed maintenance that pretty much all car makers can do now What car can I buy in the US today that's as good as the latest fsd?

dylan604 6mo ago
So many cars come with lane assist and adaptive cruise control. You can google those terms for yourself. I don't bother with lmgtfy requests. You're a big boy/girl, and teaching you to fish it much better effort. They also don't cost an additional $10k on top of the price of the car. They are just part of the price of the car.
- scottyah 6mo ago
  Maybe the lmgtfy would be a good exercise for you. Ford's BlueCruise, GM's SuperCruise, Rivian's Autonomy+, and Mercedes-Benz’s Drive Pilot all cost money.
  - goosejuice 6mo ago
    Indeed and none of those work outside of (select) highways. Lucid also has DreamDrive, but it's fairly poor from what I've seen. BYD's God's Eye is in the news, and it isn't looking good either. I'd love to see good competition in this space, but it seems Tesla has a healthy moat.
    - amanaplanacanal 6mo ago
      The moat will seem pretty shallow when Google starts licensing their technology.
      - goosejuice 6mo ago
        I'd love to see waymo adapted to a consumer vehicle, but I have high doubts that this will happen any time soon. I know Waymo has a partnership with Toyota but they don't even have a competitive EV.
  - dylan604 6mo ago
    Maybe re-reading what I wrote would help you lmgtfy.
    - philipallstar 6mo ago
      So are they part of the price of the car, or are they a subscription?
Sohcahtoa82 6mo ago
Literally every non-budget brand (and even some of the budget brands) offers automatic lane keeping with traffic-aware cruise control somewhere in their fleet. It might only be on their flagship vehicles, and possibly only on the top trims, but you're living in a Tesla-decorated cave if you think those are still Tesla-only features. On a Tesla, it's not even an FSD-specific feature. Autopilot does it.
- goosejuice 6mo ago
  FSD isn't basic ADAS. You could just say no.

philipallstar 6mo ago

Exactly. It's like calling an airplane system "autopilot" but pilots are still involved.