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"It's tricky. I know most of the people involved on both sides and you may be surprised to learn almost all of them are decent, every day people, and not brogra

"It's tricky. I know most of the people involved on both sides and you may be surprised to learn almost all of them are decent, every day people, and not brogrammers, militant feminists, or typical 'argument on Twitter' types." But the net result is loss of coding/development related activity in Manchester, sponsor getting wet feet, loss of credibility for future events &c Seems a shame. Note for US readers: UK is small island(s) and most of the fun stuff happens in London (my perception).

w1ntermute 14y ago
> Note for US readers: UK is small island(s) and most of the fun stuff happens in London (my perception). Yeah, the UK really needs events like this, because it has (in my perception, as an American) been bypassed by a lot of the latest technological advances, in terms of business opportunities. The only big British technology company I can name off the top of my head is ARM, and that's not one that your average consumer would be familiar with anyway. And ARM was founded 20+ years ago - I can't think of any recent British startups or software companies that have achieved worldwide fame.
- guard-of-terra 14y ago
  Umm, isn't last.fm younger?
  - r4vik 14y ago
    Datasift
petercooper 14y ago
Oh, totally. But I think those are separate issues. The curious thing is it was the first serious attempt to have what I'd call a 'full scale' Ruby conference in England (other events like Ruby Manor do a great job but are unique experiences or unconference type events). Scotland Ruby Conference has done pretty well, but it's very odd that England (and London, in particularly) hasn't had any success with a large Ruby event given the huge market.
- lazyatom 14y ago
  This is orthogonal to the main point of this thread, but since Ruby Manor has been mentioned, and Peter doesn't read my blog (which is fair enough): http://interblah.net/ruby-manor-is-not-an-unconference http://interblah.net/ruby-manor-is-not-an-unconference Just for completeness sake, there was also a successful RailsConf Europe in London, and a well-received Rails Underground too. I therefore assume that 'full scale' must mean something quite specific. Anyway, as I said, orthogonal. I'm aware of and not fan of the gravitational well that London influences, and definitely agree that it would be great to have events all over the UK. It's a shame that BritRuby isn't going ahead, whatever the reasons.
  - petercooper 14y ago
    I subscribe to almost no Ruby blogs anymore! :-) But I had seen your post once before. In my defence I said "or" and Ruby Manor has seemed to me, wrongly or rightly, to be in the "unique experience" group (where I'd also include JSConf and RubyFringe). By 'full scale' I did mean something reasonably specific, yes: a typically annual multi-day event with at least a few hundred attendees, a large numbers of sessions (or a very strong single track) focused on the topic at hand, a commercial presence or influence, and a sizeable number of well known speakers or attendees. RubyConf, Scotland Ruby Conference and RubyKaigi would be examples of events like that. I don't have anything against smaller or more creative conferences (and frequently support them!) but they tend to emphasize socializing rather than business. With a family and a business to run, by necessity I go to conferences 50% for business and 40% for networking, and 10% for socializing. So if I can't do business there, it's a really hard sell in terms of time and leaving my wife stranded with the kids. This might be unfair to Ruby Manor, and sorry if it is, but I got the impression Ruby Manor would be more like a fun day out for my personal enjoyment than one I can justify to my wife, daughter, business and the tax man. That's really the line I'm drawing. (I had forgotten Rails Underground so thanks for bringing it up. It did tick a lot of boxes - just a shame it didn't run again(!))
- toyg 14y ago
  One of the advantages of belonging to such a cosmopolitan city as London is that you really don't have to care about branding your events as "local" -- most European cities are a cheap flight away, you can easily meet many "big names" in whatever scene you belong to just because they'll often be in town, etc etc. The proof is the other comment saying there have, in fact, been many fairly large-scale Ruby confs in London already. It's not a coincidence that a conference outside London would in fact require a "British" branding in order to attract recognition. Note also how it was supposed to be a "British" conference as opposed to Scottish or English or North-West or whatever -- the organisers really did try to cast a very wide net.

w1ntermute 14y ago

> Note for US readers: UK is small island(s) and most of the fun stuff happens in London (my perception). Yeah, the UK really needs events like this, because it has (in my perception, as an American) been bypassed by a lot of the latest technological advances, in terms of business opportunities. The only big British technology company I can name off the top of my head is ARM, and that's not one that your average consumer would be familiar with anyway. And ARM was founded 20+ years ago - I can't think of any recent British startups or software companies that have achieved worldwide fame.

guard-of-terra 14y ago
Umm, isn't last.fm younger?
- r4vik 14y ago
  Datasift

petercooper 14y ago

Oh, totally. But I think those are separate issues. The curious thing is it was the first serious attempt to have what I'd call a 'full scale' Ruby conference in England (other events like Ruby Manor do a great job but are unique experiences or unconference type events). Scotland Ruby Conference has done pretty well, but it's very odd that England (and London, in particularly) hasn't had any success with a large Ruby event given the huge market.

lazyatom 14y ago
This is orthogonal to the main point of this thread, but since Ruby Manor has been mentioned, and Peter doesn't read my blog (which is fair enough): http://interblah.net/ruby-manor-is-not-an-unconference http://interblah.net/ruby-manor-is-not-an-unconference Just for completeness sake, there was also a successful RailsConf Europe in London, and a well-received Rails Underground too. I therefore assume that 'full scale' must mean something quite specific. Anyway, as I said, orthogonal. I'm aware of and not fan of the gravitational well that London influences, and definitely agree that it would be great to have events all over the UK. It's a shame that BritRuby isn't going ahead, whatever the reasons.
- petercooper 14y ago
  I subscribe to almost no Ruby blogs anymore! :-) But I had seen your post once before. In my defence I said "or" and Ruby Manor has seemed to me, wrongly or rightly, to be in the "unique experience" group (where I'd also include JSConf and RubyFringe). By 'full scale' I did mean something reasonably specific, yes: a typically annual multi-day event with at least a few hundred attendees, a large numbers of sessions (or a very strong single track) focused on the topic at hand, a commercial presence or influence, and a sizeable number of well known speakers or attendees. RubyConf, Scotland Ruby Conference and RubyKaigi would be examples of events like that. I don't have anything against smaller or more creative conferences (and frequently support them!) but they tend to emphasize socializing rather than business. With a family and a business to run, by necessity I go to conferences 50% for business and 40% for networking, and 10% for socializing. So if I can't do business there, it's a really hard sell in terms of time and leaving my wife stranded with the kids. This might be unfair to Ruby Manor, and sorry if it is, but I got the impression Ruby Manor would be more like a fun day out for my personal enjoyment than one I can justify to my wife, daughter, business and the tax man. That's really the line I'm drawing. (I had forgotten Rails Underground so thanks for bringing it up. It did tick a lot of boxes - just a shame it didn't run again(!))
toyg 14y ago
One of the advantages of belonging to such a cosmopolitan city as London is that you really don't have to care about branding your events as "local" -- most European cities are a cheap flight away, you can easily meet many "big names" in whatever scene you belong to just because they'll often be in town, etc etc. The proof is the other comment saying there have, in fact, been many fairly large-scale Ruby confs in London already. It's not a coincidence that a conference outside London would in fact require a "British" branding in order to attract recognition. Note also how it was supposed to be a "British" conference as opposed to Scottish or English or North-West or whatever -- the organisers really did try to cast a very wide net.