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In other news, Israeli citizens are also under attack. I made http://irondomecount.com http://irondomecount.com yesterday for people to follow along and http://

In other news, Israeli citizens are also under attack. I made http://irondomecount.com http://irondomecount.com yesterday for people to follow along and http://lifeunderfire.com http://lifeunderfire.com to understand what it feels like.

jahansafd 14y ago
I like what you're doing with lifeunderfire.com. I wonder if the other side gets a 15 seconds heads up too.
- aes256 14y ago
  They get text messages, leaflets, recorded phone calls and 'roof knocks' warning them to stay away from the military equipment Israel are targeting.
  - pooriaazimi 14y ago
    But sadly, as Gaza is extremely populated, they sometimes don't have anywhere to go...
    - helgy 14y ago
      True, this is really grim situation for Gaza people. Even then calling/texting residents to warn about attacks is awesome move of Israel, very underrated in media though.
runn1ng 14y ago
I still don't understand - Israel and its citizens claim that Gaza is the aggressor. While the civilian casualties are much higher on Palestinian side. And while it's Israel who blocks shipping goods and humanitarian aid to Gaza.
- maratd 14y ago
  > And while it's Israel who blocks shipping goods and humanitarian aid to Gaza. Actually, those aren't blocked. Well, unless you consider missiles to be humanitarian aid. Should they just let Iran ship weapons into Gaza to be used against Israeli civilians?
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  - pooriaazimi 14y ago
    Are you quite sure all of them were missiles? http://blog.amnestyusa.org/middle-east/israeli-naval-force-blocks-humanitarian-aid-from-entering-gaza/ http://blog.amnestyusa.org/middle-east/israeli-naval-force-b... http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/suffocating-gaza-israeli-blockades-effects-palestinians-2010-06-01 http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/suffocating-gaza-... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/world/middleeast/11nations.html http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/world/middleeast/11nations...
    - maratd 14y ago
      Expecting perfection from a process largely performed by human beings is ridiculous. Of course there were legitimate shipments that were blocked by mistake and of course, there were those who were rightfully pissed when that happened. I am sure that if no missiles were being brought into Gaza or if those missiles weren't used for killing Israeli civilians, there would be no blockade of anything. What do you expect the Israelis to do? Just die? Oh wait, that is what you expect them to do.
    - aes256 14y ago
      Regarding the flotilla debacle, Israel offered to have the ships dock at Israeli ports, inspect the cargo, and transfer any legitimate aid through the land crossings. The flotilla organizers refused this offer. Their purpose was not to deliver humanitarian aid, but to cause a spectacle drawing attention to the security restrictions imposed on the Strip. Once the flotilla was diverted and the contents were unloaded and placed on Israeli trucks to be transferred to the Gaza Strip, Hamas refused to accept it. This humanitarian aid was apparently so urgently needed that Hamas decided they didn't want to lose face by accepting it.
easong 14y ago
Please take your propaganda elsewhere. HN is not the place for it.
- noamsml 14y ago
  When you agree with it, it's an honest opinion. When you disagree with it, it's propaganda?
  - easong 14y ago
    Whether or not I disagree with it is irrelevant - HN isn't the place for unsubtle attempts to shift the tone of online conversation in one political entity's favor. I would probably object if a guy posted a submission and commented on several other submissions with links to some websites that claimed the Isrealies were all evil and hated Palestinians or whatever. Keep it to /r/politics. But given the number (and impact) of pro-IDF groups whose explicit goal is to control the online Israel-Palestine debate through propaganda, stuff like this is particularly tiring. Every time conflict breaks out a bunch of kids start spamming unrelated forums with their crap. Edit: Note that I'm not claiming the other side is innocent of this behavior, it may just be that I notice the Israeli stuff more/hang out on forums more prone to being exposed to them.

jahansafd 14y ago

I like what you're doing with lifeunderfire.com. I wonder if the other side gets a 15 seconds heads up too.

aes256 14y ago
They get text messages, leaflets, recorded phone calls and 'roof knocks' warning them to stay away from the military equipment Israel are targeting.
- pooriaazimi 14y ago
  But sadly, as Gaza is extremely populated, they sometimes don't have anywhere to go...
  - helgy 14y ago
    True, this is really grim situation for Gaza people. Even then calling/texting residents to warn about attacks is awesome move of Israel, very underrated in media though.

runn1ng 14y ago

I still don't understand - Israel and its citizens claim that Gaza is the aggressor. While the civilian casualties are much higher on Palestinian side. And while it's Israel who blocks shipping goods and humanitarian aid to Gaza.

maratd 14y ago
> And while it's Israel who blocks shipping goods and humanitarian aid to Gaza. Actually, those aren't blocked. Well, unless you consider missiles to be humanitarian aid. Should they just let Iran ship weapons into Gaza to be used against Israeli civilians?
- deleted 14y ago
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- pooriaazimi 14y ago
  Are you quite sure all of them were missiles? http://blog.amnestyusa.org/middle-east/israeli-naval-force-blocks-humanitarian-aid-from-entering-gaza/ http://blog.amnestyusa.org/middle-east/israeli-naval-force-b... http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/suffocating-gaza-israeli-blockades-effects-palestinians-2010-06-01 http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/suffocating-gaza-... http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/world/middleeast/11nations.html http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/world/middleeast/11nations...
  - maratd 14y ago
    Expecting perfection from a process largely performed by human beings is ridiculous. Of course there were legitimate shipments that were blocked by mistake and of course, there were those who were rightfully pissed when that happened. I am sure that if no missiles were being brought into Gaza or if those missiles weren't used for killing Israeli civilians, there would be no blockade of anything. What do you expect the Israelis to do? Just die? Oh wait, that is what you expect them to do.
  - aes256 14y ago
    Regarding the flotilla debacle, Israel offered to have the ships dock at Israeli ports, inspect the cargo, and transfer any legitimate aid through the land crossings. The flotilla organizers refused this offer. Their purpose was not to deliver humanitarian aid, but to cause a spectacle drawing attention to the security restrictions imposed on the Strip. Once the flotilla was diverted and the contents were unloaded and placed on Israeli trucks to be transferred to the Gaza Strip, Hamas refused to accept it. This humanitarian aid was apparently so urgently needed that Hamas decided they didn't want to lose face by accepting it.

easong 14y ago

Please take your propaganda elsewhere. HN is not the place for it.

noamsml 14y ago
When you agree with it, it's an honest opinion. When you disagree with it, it's propaganda?
- easong 14y ago
  Whether or not I disagree with it is irrelevant - HN isn't the place for unsubtle attempts to shift the tone of online conversation in one political entity's favor. I would probably object if a guy posted a submission and commented on several other submissions with links to some websites that claimed the Isrealies were all evil and hated Palestinians or whatever. Keep it to /r/politics. But given the number (and impact) of pro-IDF groups whose explicit goal is to control the online Israel-Palestine debate through propaganda, stuff like this is particularly tiring. Every time conflict breaks out a bunch of kids start spamming unrelated forums with their crap. Edit: Note that I'm not claiming the other side is innocent of this behavior, it may just be that I notice the Israeli stuff more/hang out on forums more prone to being exposed to them.