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And still people on this very site and especially on Reddit and TikTok want communism.

by Scroll_Swe 5mo ago

dmos62 5mo ago
Do they? I've not seen that.
- Scroll_Swe 5mo ago
  Hasan & Mandani is bigger than ever
  - mittensc 5mo ago
    communism means taking everything from regular people to give to the elite.
    - tharkun__ 5mo ago
      Funnily enough capitalism is trying to do the exact same thing! I guess communism was more efficient at doing it! (bit tongue in cheek of course - I guess capitalism is better at pretending/leaving enough scraps for the masses so they don't notice as much)
      - glacier9147 5mo ago
        Capitalism is just really good at telling people the reason they are poor is because they just don't work as hard as the elites
        Scroll_Swe 5mo ago
        Yet people want to live in capitalist countries the most. Curious.
        mittensc 5mo ago
        what other options do you have? capitalism can work with say 99% tax on estate on death. No trust funds. Tax on wealth above a certain point. Rule of law with sharp teeth. Proper investment in education. Proper anti monopoly so all large corporations gets broken up to avoid their power consolidation... communism is dictatorship in disguise. then you have old style feudalism with aristocracy. anything else?
        Scroll_Swe 5mo ago
        What are the top countries to live in the world?
        mittensc 5mo ago
        you tell me
        Scroll_Swe 5mo ago
        western/nordic europe, japan, singapore, usa, canada All capitalist.
    - Tepix 5mo ago
      Source? Or are you merely arguing that it means that in practice? I‘m sure if people want communism, they want the idealistic version.
      - deleted 5mo ago
        [deleted]
      - mittensc 5mo ago
        what do you think? now ask yourself, who are the true communists in the US?
      - Scroll_Swe 5mo ago
        >I‘m sure if people want communism, they want the idealistic version. That is what I mean. They don't want to live like the Soviets or Venezuelans or Cubans. They have a madeup idealistic version that is not real, never was and never will.
stirfish 5mo ago
I think the algorithms have determined that you'll engage with videos about people who want communism.
- Scroll_Swe 5mo ago
  Hasan & Mandani is bigger than ever
  - nancyminusone 5mo ago
    I think the algorithms have categorized so correctly, my green-named friend.
mghackerlady 5mo ago
Because communism isn't synonymous with marxist-leninism. And even as a leninist, the USSR had several problems that aren't inherent to leninism. The entire way they managed the economy completely ignored the material conditions of the country and attempted to brute force a jump to communism by bypassing both capitalism and socialism to different extents. That's why china started working after Deng, the party realised that the productive elements of capitalism can be useful in building socialism when there wasn't the creation of excess by capitalism as assumed by marx
- lII1lIlI11ll 5mo ago
  > attempted to brute force a jump to communism by bypassing both capitalism USSR had NEP for several years. > and socialism This is incorrect. USSR policy was to build socialism, and then, when it was declared to be successfully built, "developed socialism" in 1961. > That's why china started working after Deng, the party realised that the productive elements of capitalism can be useful in building socialism You mean they completely abandoned the whole idea? It it is 2026 and China still doesn't have some basic things like free healthcare or a state provided housing (things Soviet people enjoyed for most of USSR existence). In fact, looking at China objectively for a moment while ignoring how the ruling party calls itself it appears to me quite authoritarian capitalist state. > wasn't the creation of excess by capitalism as assumed by marx What? Owners of major enterprises in China enjoy exceptional luxury created as an "excess" from their businesses fueled by cheap 996 labor. Overall, you might want to reconsider engaging in such discussion on this forum that is full of people born in actual Soviet Fucking Union.
  - mghackerlady 5mo ago
    > USSR had NEP for several years they did, and it was good for them. Stalin ended up gutting it and it would end up shooting the country in the foot >You mean they completely abandoned the whole idea? It it is 2026 and China still doesn't have some basic things like free healthcare or a state provided housing (things Soviet people enjoyed for most of USSR existence). In fact, looking at China objectively for a moment while ignoring how the ruling party calls itself it appears to me quite authoritarian capitalist state. I won't deny that they are authoritarian, I disagree with them on a lot of things regarding how they handle political freedom. They don't have free housing or healthcare, but the average person is doing fine. The healthcare isn't expensive and people can afford to "own" (they don't own it in the capitalist sense but own it in the "it's mine, I can do what I want, and don't have to worry about rent" way). > What? Owners of major enterprises in China enjoy exceptional luxury created as an "excess" from their businesses fueled by cheap 996 labor. I also won't deny that. It is a problem that the chinese government is currently trying to deal with. Meanwhile, the production of the goods they got rich on has built up chinas economy and created industrial capability that wouldn't exist otherwise. It's kinda hard to redistribute wealth when there isn't any to redistribute, which is ultimately (when combined with other factors) why the USSR failed >Overall, you might want to reconsider engaging in such discussion on this forum that is full of people born in actual Soviet Fucking Union. Although it is kinda entertaining reading champagne socialist opinions of western hipsters fancying themselves left-wing (because they read couple of pages of wikipedia and voted for Bernie, who upon returning from his getting-drunk-in-a-sauna-with-party-aparatchiks trip to Soviet Union in 88 was telling you how good of a country it was when Soviet Union was actually completely falling apart by then). again, I'm not denying your gripes with the soviet union. It was objectively falling apart and was managed very poorly. I dislike your categorization of me as a "champagne socialist" who "voted for bernie and read wikipedia" as those are both objectively incorrect (aside from the wikipedia bit, as it is where I started unraveling my misconceptions about marx and socialism before moving on to actual theory). I didn't vote for bernie and while his reforms are undoubtedly good for the working class, it's putting a bandaid on the gaping gunshot wound that is capitalism. I'm also not a champagne socialist, I don't have a lot of money and don't really like champagne anyway

And still people on this very site and especially on Reddit and TikTok want communism.

dmos62 5mo ago

Do they? I've not seen that.

Scroll_Swe 5mo ago
Hasan & Mandani is bigger than ever
- mittensc 5mo ago
  communism means taking everything from regular people to give to the elite.
  - tharkun__ 5mo ago
    Funnily enough capitalism is trying to do the exact same thing! I guess communism was more efficient at doing it! (bit tongue in cheek of course - I guess capitalism is better at pretending/leaving enough scraps for the masses so they don't notice as much)
    - glacier9147 5mo ago
      Capitalism is just really good at telling people the reason they are poor is because they just don't work as hard as the elites
      - Scroll_Swe 5mo ago
        Yet people want to live in capitalist countries the most. Curious.
        mittensc 5mo ago
        what other options do you have? capitalism can work with say 99% tax on estate on death. No trust funds. Tax on wealth above a certain point. Rule of law with sharp teeth. Proper investment in education. Proper anti monopoly so all large corporations gets broken up to avoid their power consolidation... communism is dictatorship in disguise. then you have old style feudalism with aristocracy. anything else?
        Scroll_Swe 5mo ago
        What are the top countries to live in the world?
        mittensc 5mo ago
        you tell me
        Scroll_Swe 5mo ago
        western/nordic europe, japan, singapore, usa, canada All capitalist.
  - Tepix 5mo ago
    Source? Or are you merely arguing that it means that in practice? I‘m sure if people want communism, they want the idealistic version.
    - deleted 5mo ago
      [deleted]
    - mittensc 5mo ago
      what do you think? now ask yourself, who are the true communists in the US?
    - Scroll_Swe 5mo ago
      >I‘m sure if people want communism, they want the idealistic version. That is what I mean. They don't want to live like the Soviets or Venezuelans or Cubans. They have a madeup idealistic version that is not real, never was and never will.

stirfish 5mo ago

I think the algorithms have determined that you'll engage with videos about people who want communism.

Scroll_Swe 5mo ago
Hasan & Mandani is bigger than ever
- nancyminusone 5mo ago
  I think the algorithms have categorized so correctly, my green-named friend.

mghackerlady 5mo ago

Because communism isn't synonymous with marxist-leninism. And even as a leninist, the USSR had several problems that aren't inherent to leninism. The entire way they managed the economy completely ignored the material conditions of the country and attempted to brute force a jump to communism by bypassing both capitalism and socialism to different extents. That's why china started working after Deng, the party realised that the productive elements of capitalism can be useful in building socialism when there wasn't the creation of excess by capitalism as assumed by marx

lII1lIlI11ll 5mo ago
> attempted to brute force a jump to communism by bypassing both capitalism USSR had NEP for several years. > and socialism This is incorrect. USSR policy was to build socialism, and then, when it was declared to be successfully built, "developed socialism" in 1961. > That's why china started working after Deng, the party realised that the productive elements of capitalism can be useful in building socialism You mean they completely abandoned the whole idea? It it is 2026 and China still doesn't have some basic things like free healthcare or a state provided housing (things Soviet people enjoyed for most of USSR existence). In fact, looking at China objectively for a moment while ignoring how the ruling party calls itself it appears to me quite authoritarian capitalist state. > wasn't the creation of excess by capitalism as assumed by marx What? Owners of major enterprises in China enjoy exceptional luxury created as an "excess" from their businesses fueled by cheap 996 labor. Overall, you might want to reconsider engaging in such discussion on this forum that is full of people born in actual Soviet Fucking Union.
- mghackerlady 5mo ago
  > USSR had NEP for several years they did, and it was good for them. Stalin ended up gutting it and it would end up shooting the country in the foot >You mean they completely abandoned the whole idea? It it is 2026 and China still doesn't have some basic things like free healthcare or a state provided housing (things Soviet people enjoyed for most of USSR existence). In fact, looking at China objectively for a moment while ignoring how the ruling party calls itself it appears to me quite authoritarian capitalist state. I won't deny that they are authoritarian, I disagree with them on a lot of things regarding how they handle political freedom. They don't have free housing or healthcare, but the average person is doing fine. The healthcare isn't expensive and people can afford to "own" (they don't own it in the capitalist sense but own it in the "it's mine, I can do what I want, and don't have to worry about rent" way). > What? Owners of major enterprises in China enjoy exceptional luxury created as an "excess" from their businesses fueled by cheap 996 labor. I also won't deny that. It is a problem that the chinese government is currently trying to deal with. Meanwhile, the production of the goods they got rich on has built up chinas economy and created industrial capability that wouldn't exist otherwise. It's kinda hard to redistribute wealth when there isn't any to redistribute, which is ultimately (when combined with other factors) why the USSR failed >Overall, you might want to reconsider engaging in such discussion on this forum that is full of people born in actual Soviet Fucking Union. Although it is kinda entertaining reading champagne socialist opinions of western hipsters fancying themselves left-wing (because they read couple of pages of wikipedia and voted for Bernie, who upon returning from his getting-drunk-in-a-sauna-with-party-aparatchiks trip to Soviet Union in 88 was telling you how good of a country it was when Soviet Union was actually completely falling apart by then). again, I'm not denying your gripes with the soviet union. It was objectively falling apart and was managed very poorly. I dislike your categorization of me as a "champagne socialist" who "voted for bernie and read wikipedia" as those are both objectively incorrect (aside from the wikipedia bit, as it is where I started unraveling my misconceptions about marx and socialism before moving on to actual theory). I didn't vote for bernie and while his reforms are undoubtedly good for the working class, it's putting a bandaid on the gaping gunshot wound that is capitalism. I'm also not a champagne socialist, I don't have a lot of money and don't really like champagne anyway