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Darn. Some counter examples would have been interesting. I was more or less automatically combining that with the observation that I personally would have a be

Darn. Some counter examples would have been interesting. I was more or less automatically combining that with the observation that I personally would have a better chance of getting programming work done even in a cubicle farm than in a war room Out of curiosity - have you ever spent any significant time (more than a couple of works) working in one? I ask because that was exactly what I thought I would be like. Instead I found it to be very productive and enjoyable. It also seems to be a common reaction from developers who've not tried it. It's mentioned in one of the papers: "Although the teammates were not looking forward to working in close quarters, over time they realized the benefits of having people at hand, both for coordination, problem solving and learning." - http://possibility.com/Misc/p339-teasley.pdf http://possibility.com/Misc/p339-teasley.pdf

rwallace 14y ago
I'll admit I haven't. Are you saying you found it sucked for the first couple of weeks but after that you adapted to it? Of course this kind of thing is also complicated by reactions varying greatly with where you are on the introversion-extroversion axis; programmers are on average more introverted than the general population, but still vary all over the scale.
- adrianhoward 14y ago
  I'll admit I haven't. Are you saying you found it sucked for the first couple of weeks but after that you adapted to it? Kind of... a period of adjustment certainly. Switching from 'me metrics' to 'team metrics' for success took a little time to internally grok. Of course this kind of thing is also complicated by reactions varying greatly with where you are on the introversion-extroversion axis; programmers are on average more introverted than the general population, but still vary all over the scale. If you're the sort of person who takes MBTIs seriously (I'm not ;-) I'm INFJ - and pretty far into the "I" as I recall.
rwallace 14y ago
... actually my last comment isn't true, thinking back, yes I did work in a war room setup for a couple of summers back in the eighties, though it wasn't called by any particular name back then, nor had I started thinking about working environments as a topic at all, so I hadn't really connected it with this discussion. It was suboptimal but tolerable because I was a teenager with lots of energy to spare, and honestly the code I was writing was bread-and-butter stuff that was far enough within my capabilities that it didn't need absolute concentration.

rwallace 14y ago

I'll admit I haven't. Are you saying you found it sucked for the first couple of weeks but after that you adapted to it? Of course this kind of thing is also complicated by reactions varying greatly with where you are on the introversion-extroversion axis; programmers are on average more introverted than the general population, but still vary all over the scale.

adrianhoward 14y ago
I'll admit I haven't. Are you saying you found it sucked for the first couple of weeks but after that you adapted to it? Kind of... a period of adjustment certainly. Switching from 'me metrics' to 'team metrics' for success took a little time to internally grok. Of course this kind of thing is also complicated by reactions varying greatly with where you are on the introversion-extroversion axis; programmers are on average more introverted than the general population, but still vary all over the scale. If you're the sort of person who takes MBTIs seriously (I'm not ;-) I'm INFJ - and pretty far into the "I" as I recall.

rwallace 14y ago

... actually my last comment isn't true, thinking back, yes I did work in a war room setup for a couple of summers back in the eighties, though it wasn't called by any particular name back then, nor had I started thinking about working environments as a topic at all, so I hadn't really connected it with this discussion. It was suboptimal but tolerable because I was a teenager with lots of energy to spare, and honestly the code I was writing was bread-and-butter stuff that was far enough within my capabilities that it didn't need absolute concentration.