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Good on him. I had a New Zealander friend explain to me that residential bandwidth gets metered into two categories: local to New Zealand (cheap or even free) a

by herge 14y ago

Good on him. I had a New Zealander friend explain to me that residential bandwidth gets metered into two categories: local to New Zealand (cheap or even free) and any data that comes from overseas, which I find a complete ripoff.

icebraining 14y ago
Why? If the bandwidth costs differently to the ISP - and it probably does - it seems much more reasonable to offer the choice to the consumer instead of averaging the costs. Here in Portugal we used to have three tiers (international, national and intra-ISP, the latter of which was unlimited) and what happen in that some developers forked Emule to give it per-ISP and national filters, which you could configure independently. It was very useful even for legal but bigger content, like game demos or patches - a single person would download it from abroad and then share it locally. A single cap would be much worse for everyone.
marquis 14y ago
I don't believe this is true, at least for the larger ISPs (may be the case of Universities). A friend of mine owns a small ISP in New Zealand and I've discussed this with them as I assumed there would be a huge demand for local data centres and storage/streaming services. Right now all traffic goes out of the country and back in again - that's what should feel like a rip-off. Apparently Telecom could do this but it would require a court order or major political pressure. If this were happening now you'd see a lot more innovation in the digital space, and the experience of using the internet in NZ, in terms of streaming media etc. Netflix for example declined to startup business in NZ because of these problems. http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/6045189/NZ-internet-a-deterrent-to-online-TV http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/6045189/NZ-...
- lostlogin 14y ago
  I live in NZ and that was true once with some ISPs. I don't know of any companies that do it now. Some stuff is unmetered - usually stuff like on demand video which they get you to pay extra for as a package.
  - brendonjohn 14y ago
    Snap apparently don't charge for local traffic. I know a couple guys that work there
    - lostlogin 14y ago
      Actually, my own plan doesn't charge for VoIP data (as far as I can tell), just a fixed fee. Not that VoIP would use much.
- Negitivefrags 14y ago
  Yes, for residential plans they abolished the National / International pricing for a fixed rate across both, but for servers in data centers they still have National vs International pricing. For example: http://www.net24.co.nz/dedicated-servers/ http://www.net24.co.nz/dedicated-servers/ I don't know where you got the idea that all traffic goes out of the country and back in again. That is just false.
  - marquis 14y ago
    >I don't know where you got the idea that all traffic goes out of the country and back in again I hope so! It's what I was told, and of course it would make no sense. I'll have to ask them to show me some hop reports. Good to hear that there is national traffic for data centres however.

by herge 14y ago

icebraining 14y ago

Why? If the bandwidth costs differently to the ISP - and it probably does - it seems much more reasonable to offer the choice to the consumer instead of averaging the costs. Here in Portugal we used to have three tiers (international, national and intra-ISP, the latter of which was unlimited) and what happen in that some developers forked Emule to give it per-ISP and national filters, which you could configure independently. It was very useful even for legal but bigger content, like game demos or patches - a single person would download it from abroad and then share it locally. A single cap would be much worse for everyone.

marquis 14y ago

I don't believe this is true, at least for the larger ISPs (may be the case of Universities). A friend of mine owns a small ISP in New Zealand and I've discussed this with them as I assumed there would be a huge demand for local data centres and storage/streaming services. Right now all traffic goes out of the country and back in again - that's what should feel like a rip-off. Apparently Telecom could do this but it would require a court order or major political pressure. If this were happening now you'd see a lot more innovation in the digital space, and the experience of using the internet in NZ, in terms of streaming media etc. Netflix for example declined to startup business in NZ because of these problems. http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/6045189/NZ-internet-a-deterrent-to-online-TV http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/6045189/NZ-...

lostlogin 14y ago
I live in NZ and that was true once with some ISPs. I don't know of any companies that do it now. Some stuff is unmetered - usually stuff like on demand video which they get you to pay extra for as a package.
- brendonjohn 14y ago
  Snap apparently don't charge for local traffic. I know a couple guys that work there
  - lostlogin 14y ago
    Actually, my own plan doesn't charge for VoIP data (as far as I can tell), just a fixed fee. Not that VoIP would use much.
Negitivefrags 14y ago
Yes, for residential plans they abolished the National / International pricing for a fixed rate across both, but for servers in data centers they still have National vs International pricing. For example: http://www.net24.co.nz/dedicated-servers/ http://www.net24.co.nz/dedicated-servers/ I don't know where you got the idea that all traffic goes out of the country and back in again. That is just false.
- marquis 14y ago
  >I don't know where you got the idea that all traffic goes out of the country and back in again I hope so! It's what I was told, and of course it would make no sense. I'll have to ask them to show me some hop reports. Good to hear that there is national traffic for data centres however.