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Is it? Most people I know who have flags proudly displayed are left wing and their flags are usually one of: the Palestinian flag, the ukrainian flag, the LGBT

by rjinman 5mo ago

Is it? Most people I know who have flags proudly displayed are left wing and their flags are usually one of: the Palestinian flag, the ukrainian flag, the LGBT rainbow flag, or the trans flag.

danw1979 5mo ago
He’s a British artist, the sculpture is in London and the phenomenon of raising of St George’s Cross on every lamppost on every roundabout is a recent initiative of the British right. Most people will be linking the statement of this sculpture to this activity. (I’m more likely to see the white rose of the House of York in “opposition” to the flag shaggers than a rainbow or anything else, in my neck of the woods, but there’s only a few of these flying) I do like the wider interpretation though, that any ideology can blind you.
- 21asdffdsa12 5mo ago
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  - matthewmacleod 5mo ago
    No, you were merely wrong.
- tim333 5mo ago
  I live in central London where the the statue is and I think can confidently say there are more other flags than St George cross ones. Personally I kind of thought of Russia which is about the only lot marching off to war with Russian and Z flags all over. The St George lot mostly just moan about immigrants.
rjinman 5mo ago
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- Smaug123 5mo ago
  (What you call an "objective fact" here is - as you say - your report of your personal experience. Everyone else would probably use a word more like "subjective".)
  - boxed 5mo ago
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewnwgnqj2qo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewnwgnqj2qo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Trans%2B_Pride https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Trans%2B_Pride I'm seeing a lot of flags.
    - datsci_est_2015 5mo ago
      Can’t help but notice the difference in sentiment between the flag that represents a people and a flag that represents a nation, especially historically.
      - boxed 5mo ago
        Hmm? Which is which? Is this one of those British things people from normal countries don't understand? Like the difference between United Kingdom and Great Britain.
        datsci_est_2015 5mo ago
        Glad you asked! Perhaps I should have used the term “sovereign state”, as that’s more precise, even though when most people use the colloquial term “nation” (as in “nationalism”) they’re referring to a sovereign state. A sovereign state has borders they can enforce to their own discretion (political gridlock notwithstanding), a stable and well-defined (non-transient) population, a single recognized government (both internally and externally), and ability to conduct foreign relations without being stopped by force or decree. So, with that more precise definition out of the way, you can recognize that the flags in your links do not represent sovereign states, but rather peoples - who, coincidentally, are often fighting for their rights and freedoms. Elsewhere in the thread are mentions of nation flags, like the Union Jack, which represent a sovereign state, and are instead often associated with national identity, xenophobia and oppression. Hope that helps!
vkou 5mo ago
Allright, I'll bite. Could you tell me if there's any meaningful distinction between someone hanging a Ukranian flag and a... Russian Federation flag? Circa 2026, do those flags stand for something, when hanging outside of either of those countries? If they do, what do they stand for, and what would someone hanging one, versus the other, be communicating?
rjinman 5mo ago
It’s amazing how everyone thinks this sculpture’s message doesn’t apply to them. “My side’s flags are different, it’s the other side’s flags that are bad”. So many people here making this argument. It’s beyond parody, yet really so predictable. Amazing lack of self awareness. I thought this place was more rational than Reddit, but apparently not!
- Ukv 5mo ago
  > It’s amazing how everyone thinks this sculpture’s message doesn’t apply to them. “My side’s flags are different, it’s the other side’s flags that are bad” The sculpture's message isn't "flags are bad" - it's using a flag as a metaphor for nationalism/blind patriotism (based on the rest of the statue, the location chosen, what it's a response to, and Banksy's other works).

by rjinman 5mo ago

Is it? Most people I know who have flags proudly displayed are left wing and their flags are usually one of: the Palestinian flag, the ukrainian flag, the LGBT rainbow flag, or the trans flag.

danw1979 5mo ago

He’s a British artist, the sculpture is in London and the phenomenon of raising of St George’s Cross on every lamppost on every roundabout is a recent initiative of the British right. Most people will be linking the statement of this sculpture to this activity. (I’m more likely to see the white rose of the House of York in “opposition” to the flag shaggers than a rainbow or anything else, in my neck of the woods, but there’s only a few of these flying) I do like the wider interpretation though, that any ideology can blind you.

21asdffdsa12 5mo ago
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- matthewmacleod 5mo ago
  No, you were merely wrong.
tim333 5mo ago
I live in central London where the the statue is and I think can confidently say there are more other flags than St George cross ones. Personally I kind of thought of Russia which is about the only lot marching off to war with Russian and Z flags all over. The St George lot mostly just moan about immigrants.

rjinman 5mo ago

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Smaug123 5mo ago
(What you call an "objective fact" here is - as you say - your report of your personal experience. Everyone else would probably use a word more like "subjective".)
- boxed 5mo ago
  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewnwgnqj2qo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewnwgnqj2qo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Trans%2B_Pride https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Trans%2B_Pride I'm seeing a lot of flags.
  - datsci_est_2015 5mo ago
    Can’t help but notice the difference in sentiment between the flag that represents a people and a flag that represents a nation, especially historically.
    - boxed 5mo ago
      Hmm? Which is which? Is this one of those British things people from normal countries don't understand? Like the difference between United Kingdom and Great Britain.
      - datsci_est_2015 5mo ago
        Glad you asked! Perhaps I should have used the term “sovereign state”, as that’s more precise, even though when most people use the colloquial term “nation” (as in “nationalism”) they’re referring to a sovereign state. A sovereign state has borders they can enforce to their own discretion (political gridlock notwithstanding), a stable and well-defined (non-transient) population, a single recognized government (both internally and externally), and ability to conduct foreign relations without being stopped by force or decree. So, with that more precise definition out of the way, you can recognize that the flags in your links do not represent sovereign states, but rather peoples - who, coincidentally, are often fighting for their rights and freedoms. Elsewhere in the thread are mentions of nation flags, like the Union Jack, which represent a sovereign state, and are instead often associated with national identity, xenophobia and oppression. Hope that helps!

vkou 5mo ago

Allright, I'll bite. Could you tell me if there's any meaningful distinction between someone hanging a Ukranian flag and a... Russian Federation flag? Circa 2026, do those flags stand for something, when hanging outside of either of those countries? If they do, what do they stand for, and what would someone hanging one, versus the other, be communicating?

rjinman 5mo ago

It’s amazing how everyone thinks this sculpture’s message doesn’t apply to them. “My side’s flags are different, it’s the other side’s flags that are bad”. So many people here making this argument. It’s beyond parody, yet really so predictable. Amazing lack of self awareness. I thought this place was more rational than Reddit, but apparently not!

Ukv 5mo ago
> It’s amazing how everyone thinks this sculpture’s message doesn’t apply to them. “My side’s flags are different, it’s the other side’s flags that are bad” The sculpture's message isn't "flags are bad" - it's using a flag as a metaphor for nationalism/blind patriotism (based on the rest of the statue, the location chosen, what it's a response to, and Banksy's other works).