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How is this the hyperscalers fault? YouTube had atom feeds and I don't think Amazon and Microsoft have relevant syndication. Meta is surely responsible but th

How is this the hyperscalers fault? YouTube had atom feeds and I don't think Amazon and Microsoft have relevant syndication. Meta is surely responsible but that's it, imo.

echelon 6mo ago
Google on several occasions took moves to make the web less semantic. They dumped microformats and standards in favor of soupy error tolerant formats that benefitted their search engine and made it harder for other efforts to make information shareable and accessible. They wanted it to be easy to get information in, but for you to have to go through them to get information out.
- riffraff 6mo ago
  > They dumped microformats and standards I'm not sure they killed microformats, they still support hReview, hProduct etc, don't they? And they pushed schema.org. I wrote a trivial recipe importing tool that just works™ on a bunch of website because it uses the JSON-LD Recipe schema. It's ~100 lines and a ton simpler than what I had to write 15 years ago. Sure, they pushed for HTML5-style stuff, but that's not much of killing things. IMO it's not google that stopped microformats: it's that website owners realized most of the time it was advantaging third parties for no advantage to them.
erk__ 6mo ago
YouTube still does <feed xmlns:yt="http://www.youtube.com/xml/schemas/2015" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"> I don't think they are linked to anywhere but the url is http://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=<channel_id>
- kmfrk 6mo ago
  GitHub too for their releases; you just add /atom to get the feed, which works great.
  - erk__ 6mo ago
    GitHub have some quite nice feeds If you want all the commits from a repo you can do something like: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/commits/main/.atom https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/commits/main/.atom And if you now only is interested in the num module you can do: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/commits/main/library/std/src/num/.atom https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/commits/main/library/std/s...
- kevincox 6mo ago
  The channel pages still have auto-discovery links. So if you paste a channel URL into your feed reader it should find the feed easily.

How is this the hyperscalers fault? YouTube had atom feeds and I don't think Amazon and Microsoft have relevant syndication. Meta is surely responsible but that's it, imo.

echelon 6mo ago

Google on several occasions took moves to make the web less semantic. They dumped microformats and standards in favor of soupy error tolerant formats that benefitted their search engine and made it harder for other efforts to make information shareable and accessible. They wanted it to be easy to get information in, but for you to have to go through them to get information out.

riffraff 6mo ago
> They dumped microformats and standards I'm not sure they killed microformats, they still support hReview, hProduct etc, don't they? And they pushed schema.org. I wrote a trivial recipe importing tool that just works™ on a bunch of website because it uses the JSON-LD Recipe schema. It's ~100 lines and a ton simpler than what I had to write 15 years ago. Sure, they pushed for HTML5-style stuff, but that's not much of killing things. IMO it's not google that stopped microformats: it's that website owners realized most of the time it was advantaging third parties for no advantage to them.

erk__ 6mo ago

YouTube still does <feed xmlns:yt="http://www.youtube.com/xml/schemas/2015" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"> I don't think they are linked to anywhere but the url is http://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=<channel_id>

kmfrk 6mo ago
GitHub too for their releases; you just add /atom to get the feed, which works great.
- erk__ 6mo ago
  GitHub have some quite nice feeds If you want all the commits from a repo you can do something like: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/commits/main/.atom https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/commits/main/.atom And if you now only is interested in the num module you can do: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/commits/main/library/std/src/num/.atom https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/commits/main/library/std/s...
kevincox 6mo ago
The channel pages still have auto-discovery links. So if you paste a channel URL into your feed reader it should find the feed easily.