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At this point, developers have named so many projects "Atom" that there are officially more Atoms in the world than there are atoms in the universe.

echelon 5mo ago
This one is (was) pretty important. The hyperscalers stopped that timeline from winning, though.
- riffraff 5mo ago
  How is this the hyperscalers fault? YouTube had atom feeds and I don't think Amazon and Microsoft have relevant syndication. Meta is surely responsible but that's it, imo.
  - echelon 5mo ago
    Google on several occasions took moves to make the web less semantic. They dumped microformats and standards in favor of soupy error tolerant formats that benefitted their search engine and made it harder for other efforts to make information shareable and accessible. They wanted it to be easy to get information in, but for you to have to go through them to get information out.
    - riffraff 5mo ago
      > They dumped microformats and standards I'm not sure they killed microformats, they still support hReview, hProduct etc, don't they? And they pushed schema.org. I wrote a trivial recipe importing tool that just works™ on a bunch of website because it uses the JSON-LD Recipe schema. It's ~100 lines and a ton simpler than what I had to write 15 years ago. Sure, they pushed for HTML5-style stuff, but that's not much of killing things. IMO it's not google that stopped microformats: it's that website owners realized most of the time it was advantaging third parties for no advantage to them.
  - erk__ 5mo ago
    YouTube still does <feed xmlns:yt="http://www.youtube.com/xml/schemas/2015" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"> I don't think they are linked to anywhere but the url is http://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=<channel_id>
    - kmfrk 5mo ago
      GitHub too for their releases; you just add /atom to get the feed, which works great.
      - erk__ 5mo ago
        GitHub have some quite nice feeds If you want all the commits from a repo you can do something like: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/commits/main/.atom https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/commits/main/.atom And if you now only is interested in the num module you can do: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/commits/main/library/std/src/num/.atom https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/commits/main/library/std/s...
    - kevincox 5mo ago
      The channel pages still have auto-discovery links. So if you paste a channel URL into your feed reader it should find the feed easily.
Gys 5mo ago
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4287 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4287 Dec 2005 I think at that time it was still ok?
eloisant 5mo ago
To be fair, Atom the XML Feed, similar to RSS (linked here) is probably the oldest one. It's from 2005. Now why a spec from 2005 is in the front page of hacker news, I have no idea...

echelon 5mo ago

This one is (was) pretty important. The hyperscalers stopped that timeline from winning, though.

riffraff 5mo ago
How is this the hyperscalers fault? YouTube had atom feeds and I don't think Amazon and Microsoft have relevant syndication. Meta is surely responsible but that's it, imo.
- echelon 5mo ago
  Google on several occasions took moves to make the web less semantic. They dumped microformats and standards in favor of soupy error tolerant formats that benefitted their search engine and made it harder for other efforts to make information shareable and accessible. They wanted it to be easy to get information in, but for you to have to go through them to get information out.
  - riffraff 5mo ago
    > They dumped microformats and standards I'm not sure they killed microformats, they still support hReview, hProduct etc, don't they? And they pushed schema.org. I wrote a trivial recipe importing tool that just works™ on a bunch of website because it uses the JSON-LD Recipe schema. It's ~100 lines and a ton simpler than what I had to write 15 years ago. Sure, they pushed for HTML5-style stuff, but that's not much of killing things. IMO it's not google that stopped microformats: it's that website owners realized most of the time it was advantaging third parties for no advantage to them.
- erk__ 5mo ago
  YouTube still does <feed xmlns:yt="http://www.youtube.com/xml/schemas/2015" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"> I don't think they are linked to anywhere but the url is http://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=<channel_id>
  - kmfrk 5mo ago
    GitHub too for their releases; you just add /atom to get the feed, which works great.
    - erk__ 5mo ago
      GitHub have some quite nice feeds If you want all the commits from a repo you can do something like: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/commits/main/.atom https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/commits/main/.atom And if you now only is interested in the num module you can do: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/commits/main/library/std/src/num/.atom https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/commits/main/library/std/s...
  - kevincox 5mo ago
    The channel pages still have auto-discovery links. So if you paste a channel URL into your feed reader it should find the feed easily.

Gys 5mo ago

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4287 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4287 Dec 2005 I think at that time it was still ok?

eloisant 5mo ago

To be fair, Atom the XML Feed, similar to RSS (linked here) is probably the oldest one. It's from 2005. Now why a spec from 2005 is in the front page of hacker news, I have no idea...