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Technically SAP is a Société Européenne but still somehow the biggest German software developer.

by ofrzeta 6mo ago

croemer 6mo ago
What matters is where the headquarters and key employees are. SE can be based anywhere in EU and even then legal entity stuff isn't what matters. Origin: German, HQ: German, Accounting regime: German, Main stock listing: German, Executive board: 5/6 German
- nkmnz 6mo ago
  In fact, you can run any form of European legal entity from any country. I.e., I can create an spółka z ograniczoną odpowiedzialnością (sp. z o.o.) in Poland, but run the business in Germany. It would be complicated and stupid, but legal.
  - badpun 6mo ago
    You can't hire people cross-border though. That sp. z o.o. would need a German subsidiary if it wanted to employ people in Germany.
    - nkmnz 6mo ago
      You can! A foreign EU company just needs to get a "Betriebsnummer" (company number) from "Bundesagentur für Arbeit", which doesn't even require a Betriebsstätte (permanent business establishment, a branch that is not legally independent) or a "Zweigniederlassung" (branch office, legally semi-independent, but still part of the same entity) - and certainly not a subsidiary that has it's own legal persona.
wongarsu 6mo ago
And fittingly SAP is successful despite horrible UX
- torginus 6mo ago
  SAP is basically the core of the German compliance machine. Most of the time, people get onto SAP not because its good, but there's a bunch of compliance regs, which basically say 'use SAP'. Noncompliance results in firms basically not doing business with you. You could try to be boneheaded and comply with whatever standards they need your own way, but that would mean your business partners would need to do more due diligence and expose themselves to risk of what happens if regulators are not happy with the way you conduct your business. So you use SAP.
  - ofrzeta 6mo ago
    Is this based on actual experience? Because at a place I worked in the past we did business with BMW, Allianz, Siemens, Munich Re and others and never had to use SAP. Maybe it depends on what part of the delivery chain you are. For instance with Munich Re you have to "pass" their compliance gate which is comprehensive but still has a lot of leeway.

Technically SAP is a Société Européenne but still somehow the biggest German software developer.

by ofrzeta 6mo ago

Technically SAP is a Société Européenne but still somehow the biggest German software developer.

What matters is where the headquarters and key employees are. SE can be based anywhere in EU and even then legal entity stuff isn't what matters. Origin: German, HQ: German, Accounting regime: German, Main stock listing: German, Executive board: 5/6 German

nkmnz 6mo ago
In fact, you can run any form of European legal entity from any country. I.e., I can create an spółka z ograniczoną odpowiedzialnością (sp. z o.o.) in Poland, but run the business in Germany. It would be complicated and stupid, but legal.
- badpun 6mo ago
  You can't hire people cross-border though. That sp. z o.o. would need a German subsidiary if it wanted to employ people in Germany.
  - nkmnz 6mo ago
    You can! A foreign EU company just needs to get a "Betriebsnummer" (company number) from "Bundesagentur für Arbeit", which doesn't even require a Betriebsstätte (permanent business establishment, a branch that is not legally independent) or a "Zweigniederlassung" (branch office, legally semi-independent, but still part of the same entity) - and certainly not a subsidiary that has it's own legal persona.

wongarsu 6mo ago

And fittingly SAP is successful despite horrible UX

torginus 6mo ago
SAP is basically the core of the German compliance machine. Most of the time, people get onto SAP not because its good, but there's a bunch of compliance regs, which basically say 'use SAP'. Noncompliance results in firms basically not doing business with you. You could try to be boneheaded and comply with whatever standards they need your own way, but that would mean your business partners would need to do more due diligence and expose themselves to risk of what happens if regulators are not happy with the way you conduct your business. So you use SAP.
- ofrzeta 6mo ago
  Is this based on actual experience? Because at a place I worked in the past we did business with BMW, Allianz, Siemens, Munich Re and others and never had to use SAP. Maybe it depends on what part of the delivery chain you are. For instance with Munich Re you have to "pass" their compliance gate which is comprehensive but still has a lot of leeway.