I've used a wide variety of languages, and I've yet to encounter one that wouldn't have been better with good IDE support. I like having the ability to refacto

I've used a wide variety of languages, and I've yet to encounter one that wouldn't have been better with good IDE support. I like having the ability to refactor quickly, to hop to method definitions with ease, to have a quality integrated debugger, and blah blah blah. A good language might make some of that less required, but it doesn't stop it being useful. And, really, if an IDE is required for a language to be useful, but once that IDE is in place the language is useful, why would you not consider language + IDE an indivisible pair? What real relevance does it have that the language on its own is not that great? Java + Eclipse is Perl + CPAN, or JS + jquery/dojo. Something you have no business criticising unless you've made the effort to use/understand it in its whole. Java isn't a great language, but Java + Eclipse is really quite tolerable. The majority of people I've known who really hate it (as opposed to the usual sense of vague frustration that obvious improvements haven't been made...) are people who are unwilling to adapt themselves and their tooling to fit.