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Sorry, why would I invest in a failed airline with an anonymous collective with no defined leadership? How could it do anything but fail?

bombcar 5mo ago
It's almost always better to create a new airline ex-nihilo as you get brand new planes, which are better than older ones.
- fakedang 5mo ago
  Good luck trying to get any planes with the current backlog. Unless you enjoy flying in the 737 Max.
  - bombcar 5mo ago
    We'll call it Apple Air™ and the 737 Pro Max - 99% of our budget will be legal fees.
  - toast0 5mo ago
    The 737 MAX is fine enough. But it's not like you can order those for immediate delivery either. There's almost 5,000 pending orders, and Boeing can make on the order of 500 of them in a good year.
- ivraatiems 5mo ago
  This is almost exactly the opposite of what most new airlines do. The fastest, cheapest way to get a good plane is to buy an old plane from an existing airline (preferably one going out of business, so you get a deal) and renovate it a little.
  - reddalo 5mo ago
    Ryanair is the best performing budget airline in Europe and they only buy new planes, because it's way cheaper to run them. Less time on land for maintenance = less wasted money.
    - danelski 5mo ago
      OK, but are you able to put an order on 100+ brand-new hauls if you're just starting out without the enormous capital to back you?
    - ivraatiems 5mo ago
      Ryanair was founded more than 40 years ago. An established budget airline choosing to strategically make an expensive choice isn't the same as a new airline starting up.
    - MarchApril 5mo ago
      Used, high quality machinery is always in demand, but I think "used" and "planes" have the ability to subconciously sow some doubts in many people. I personally never heard of any airlines with 100% used planes in their fleets. I definitely would choose an airline with 100% new planes. I guess I'm another victim of marketing.
      - ivraatiems 5mo ago
        Do you check whether the plane you're on is new or used, typically? Every major carrier in the US regularly buys and sells their planes. See for example https://www.slashgear.com/1858614/why-united-states-airlines-buy-used-planes-over-new/ https://www.slashgear.com/1858614/why-united-states-airlines... It's not the same as buying a new car. The legal requirements for maintenance of commercial aircraft is an order of magnitude more substantial.

bombcar 5mo ago

It's almost always better to create a new airline ex-nihilo as you get brand new planes, which are better than older ones.

fakedang 5mo ago
Good luck trying to get any planes with the current backlog. Unless you enjoy flying in the 737 Max.
- bombcar 5mo ago
  We'll call it Apple Air™ and the 737 Pro Max - 99% of our budget will be legal fees.
- toast0 5mo ago
  The 737 MAX is fine enough. But it's not like you can order those for immediate delivery either. There's almost 5,000 pending orders, and Boeing can make on the order of 500 of them in a good year.
ivraatiems 5mo ago
This is almost exactly the opposite of what most new airlines do. The fastest, cheapest way to get a good plane is to buy an old plane from an existing airline (preferably one going out of business, so you get a deal) and renovate it a little.
- reddalo 5mo ago
  Ryanair is the best performing budget airline in Europe and they only buy new planes, because it's way cheaper to run them. Less time on land for maintenance = less wasted money.
  - danelski 5mo ago
    OK, but are you able to put an order on 100+ brand-new hauls if you're just starting out without the enormous capital to back you?
  - ivraatiems 5mo ago
    Ryanair was founded more than 40 years ago. An established budget airline choosing to strategically make an expensive choice isn't the same as a new airline starting up.
  - MarchApril 5mo ago
    Used, high quality machinery is always in demand, but I think "used" and "planes" have the ability to subconciously sow some doubts in many people. I personally never heard of any airlines with 100% used planes in their fleets. I definitely would choose an airline with 100% new planes. I guess I'm another victim of marketing.
    - ivraatiems 5mo ago
      Do you check whether the plane you're on is new or used, typically? Every major carrier in the US regularly buys and sells their planes. See for example https://www.slashgear.com/1858614/why-united-states-airlines-buy-used-planes-over-new/ https://www.slashgear.com/1858614/why-united-states-airlines... It's not the same as buying a new car. The legal requirements for maintenance of commercial aircraft is an order of magnitude more substantial.