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> Denuvo is there to prevent piracy within the first 90 days of release [...] They don’t care that it’s eventually cracked Ah, so Denuvo is always removed afte

> Denuvo is there to prevent piracy within the first 90 days of release [...] They don’t care that it’s eventually cracked Ah, so Denuvo is always removed after ~90 days after release, as there is no point for them to keep it there?

NicuCalcea 6mo ago
Denuvo is sold as a subscription to developers, and it is often removed 6–12 months after release.
- lousken 6mo ago
  Denuvo should charge more for every month extra since the release
- akimbostrawman 6mo ago
  >often removed 6–12 months after release that's not true. Only denuvo after ~2020 is subscription based and the contracts usually are between 2-4 years.
  - NicuCalcea 6mo ago
    - Devil May Cry 5: released March 2019, Denuvo removed February 2020 - Forspoken: released January 2023, Denuvo removed July 2023 - Final Fantasy XVI: released September 2024, Denuvo removed March 2024 - Dead Rising Deluxe Remaster: released September 2024, Denuvo removed September 2025 These are just a few examples, there are many more. I can't say whether it was removed because the contract ran out or another reason, but, as I said, Denuvo demonstrably is often removed 6–12 months after PC release.
    - akimbostrawman 6mo ago
      Pointing out exceptions doesn't invalidate the rule
      - NicuCalcea 6mo ago
        I said Denuvo is "often" removed 6–12 months after release. Often means many times, frequently. I have given you examples that this has happened many times, so I'm satisfied with the wording I used. You said it "usually" lasts 2–4 years. Usually means most of the time. What I said is not incompatible with what you said, but in any case, you've presented no data or evidence that Denuvo is kept for 2+ years most of the time.
        akimbostrawman 6mo ago
        There have been well over 150 games with denuvo the last 5 years. 4 games in that time is not "often" by any stretch of the word.
        Maxatar 6mo ago
        This isn't a good faith argument. You made a claim that has now been shown to be false, and now you're trying to reverse the burden of proof for your claim. Whatever the pedantic meaning of "often" is in the context of this conversation, one thing is clear, your statement that Denuvo switched to a subscription service is entirely unsubstantiated. If you have evidence to back up your claim then the burden is squarely on you at this point to provide it.
        akimbostrawman 6mo ago
        My claim: Usually removed between 2 and 4 years since 2020 Your claim: No because here are 4 games from the last 5 years which where removed after ~6 months which means it is often removed before that time. My rebuttal: That's 4 games in 5 years from well over 150 denuvo games since 2020. Simple math should tell you that below 3% is not "often". But somehow that means my claim is false... It is well known that denuvo DRM is a SaaS subscription software for many years. I'm not gonna entertain your tantrum further for something you can trivially look up and should already know if you where knowledgeable enough to actually discuss the topic.
snvzz 6mo ago
Yet I have a bunch of games on steam wishlist which I've been waiting for years to buy. The stopper is of course denuvo, which they keep renewing the license of, for no good reason.
- pteraspidomorph 6mo ago
  Maybe because a lot of users still have those games wishlisted?
  - choo-t 6mo ago
    Having the game wishlisted is a signal of players waiting for a sale, or future patches/correction, or simply not bothering to cleanup wishlist, not a signal of someone is eager to pirate the game.
Maxatar 6mo ago
Not strictly after 90 days, but Denuvo is usually removed after the peak sales period for a game. It's really at a publisher's discretion when to remove it, as the sales model for Denuvo is that you have to continue paying for it on a subscription basis to keep it active.
- ray023 6mo ago
  This is untrue. Yes Denovo got removed from some games relatively early, but mostly it was long after this "peak sales window" I would have to make a list of how long it took for games, and I am too lazy to even ask AI, but I think it took years in some cases and a lot of community outrage for the devs to remove it, and they did not just remove it after some peak sales window but when the games were actually cracked and the steam forums were flooded with pissed of people who realized pirates had a better experience then actual buyers. THEN they removed it. So it's more like after they were cracked rather than some time window, sometimes these may have been overlap. 1 year after release is for sure not "peak sales window".
slickytail 6mo ago
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NicuCalcea 6mo ago

Denuvo is sold as a subscription to developers, and it is often removed 6–12 months after release.

lousken 6mo ago
Denuvo should charge more for every month extra since the release
akimbostrawman 6mo ago
>often removed 6–12 months after release that's not true. Only denuvo after ~2020 is subscription based and the contracts usually are between 2-4 years.
- NicuCalcea 6mo ago
  - Devil May Cry 5: released March 2019, Denuvo removed February 2020 - Forspoken: released January 2023, Denuvo removed July 2023 - Final Fantasy XVI: released September 2024, Denuvo removed March 2024 - Dead Rising Deluxe Remaster: released September 2024, Denuvo removed September 2025 These are just a few examples, there are many more. I can't say whether it was removed because the contract ran out or another reason, but, as I said, Denuvo demonstrably is often removed 6–12 months after PC release.
  - akimbostrawman 6mo ago
    Pointing out exceptions doesn't invalidate the rule
    - NicuCalcea 6mo ago
      I said Denuvo is "often" removed 6–12 months after release. Often means many times, frequently. I have given you examples that this has happened many times, so I'm satisfied with the wording I used. You said it "usually" lasts 2–4 years. Usually means most of the time. What I said is not incompatible with what you said, but in any case, you've presented no data or evidence that Denuvo is kept for 2+ years most of the time.
      - akimbostrawman 6mo ago
        There have been well over 150 games with denuvo the last 5 years. 4 games in that time is not "often" by any stretch of the word.
        Maxatar 6mo ago
        This isn't a good faith argument. You made a claim that has now been shown to be false, and now you're trying to reverse the burden of proof for your claim. Whatever the pedantic meaning of "often" is in the context of this conversation, one thing is clear, your statement that Denuvo switched to a subscription service is entirely unsubstantiated. If you have evidence to back up your claim then the burden is squarely on you at this point to provide it.
        akimbostrawman 6mo ago
        My claim: Usually removed between 2 and 4 years since 2020 Your claim: No because here are 4 games from the last 5 years which where removed after ~6 months which means it is often removed before that time. My rebuttal: That's 4 games in 5 years from well over 150 denuvo games since 2020. Simple math should tell you that below 3% is not "often". But somehow that means my claim is false... It is well known that denuvo DRM is a SaaS subscription software for many years. I'm not gonna entertain your tantrum further for something you can trivially look up and should already know if you where knowledgeable enough to actually discuss the topic.

snvzz 6mo ago

Yet I have a bunch of games on steam wishlist which I've been waiting for years to buy. The stopper is of course denuvo, which they keep renewing the license of, for no good reason.

pteraspidomorph 6mo ago
Maybe because a lot of users still have those games wishlisted?
- choo-t 6mo ago
  Having the game wishlisted is a signal of players waiting for a sale, or future patches/correction, or simply not bothering to cleanup wishlist, not a signal of someone is eager to pirate the game.

Maxatar 6mo ago

Not strictly after 90 days, but Denuvo is usually removed after the peak sales period for a game. It's really at a publisher's discretion when to remove it, as the sales model for Denuvo is that you have to continue paying for it on a subscription basis to keep it active.

ray023 6mo ago
This is untrue. Yes Denovo got removed from some games relatively early, but mostly it was long after this "peak sales window" I would have to make a list of how long it took for games, and I am too lazy to even ask AI, but I think it took years in some cases and a lot of community outrage for the devs to remove it, and they did not just remove it after some peak sales window but when the games were actually cracked and the steam forums were flooded with pissed of people who realized pirates had a better experience then actual buyers. THEN they removed it. So it's more like after they were cracked rather than some time window, sometimes these may have been overlap. 1 year after release is for sure not "peak sales window".

slickytail 6mo ago

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