3 ms·

England has a long history producing artwork against some institution, only for that institution to get worse over time. George Orwell wrote about the dangers o

England has a long history producing artwork against some institution, only for that institution to get worse over time. George Orwell wrote about the dangers of authoritarianism and surveillance, and since then the UK government has only ratcheted up their surveillance and authority. They also made a movie called This is England which straightforwardly depicts young English nationalists ruining their lives with nationalism, and 20 years later there are more nationalists in England than at any point after WW2. Will Banksy's legacy be more or less the same?

vpribish 5mo ago
almost as if "England" is more than one person!
gerdesj 5mo ago
"They also made a movie called This is England which straightforwardly depicts young English nationalists" Not sure who you think "they" are but "This is England" is superb. It deals with a lot of issues, way beyond just nationalism and the like. Perhaps you would like to fix your gimlet gaze on "A Clockwork Orange" and deliver a further withering critique. A simple explanation regarding the increase of the number of nationalists within England is the population has increased. QED.
phainopepla2 5mo ago
This is such an odd comment. People in arts and letters warning about some element of society or culture and then that element growing in strength is something that can be found in most countries, and doesn't seem more prevalent in England than elsewhere.
ericmay 5mo ago
England has gotten more liberal over time, not less. I'm not following your logic here. It seems you're wanting to criticize the government of the UK for being authoritarian and ratcheting up the surveillance state, but simultaneously criticize nationalists and link them to this government, but nationalists and right-leaning groups haven't really been in charge of the UK.
- pjc50 5mo ago
  > nationalists and right-leaning groups haven't really been in charge of the UK. Did you miss the whole Brexit thing?
  - ericmay 5mo ago
    No, I didn't. But I wouldn't claim that a referendum that was voted on by the people of the country to be the same thing as right-leaning groups being in control of the government of the UK.
    - haritha-j 5mo ago
      Depends on who influenced them / paid for those buses.
      - ericmay 5mo ago
        No it doesn't. If the right was in charge of the government of the UK they wouldn't have needed to have a referendum or drum up support for it. Here's perhaps a concrete example to help piece this together. I live in Ohio. Our state government is right-leaning, and controlled by the Republican Party. The Republican Party has an anti-abortion platform. A couple of years ago, citizens got together, created, and then passed an amendment to the Ohio Constitution providing abortion access as a legal right. The right is still in control of the government, and that is true regardless of who paid to support the referendum, or how it was voted.

vpribish 5mo ago

almost as if "England" is more than one person!

gerdesj 5mo ago

"They also made a movie called This is England which straightforwardly depicts young English nationalists" Not sure who you think "they" are but "This is England" is superb. It deals with a lot of issues, way beyond just nationalism and the like. Perhaps you would like to fix your gimlet gaze on "A Clockwork Orange" and deliver a further withering critique. A simple explanation regarding the increase of the number of nationalists within England is the population has increased. QED.

phainopepla2 5mo ago

This is such an odd comment. People in arts and letters warning about some element of society or culture and then that element growing in strength is something that can be found in most countries, and doesn't seem more prevalent in England than elsewhere.

ericmay 5mo ago

England has gotten more liberal over time, not less. I'm not following your logic here. It seems you're wanting to criticize the government of the UK for being authoritarian and ratcheting up the surveillance state, but simultaneously criticize nationalists and link them to this government, but nationalists and right-leaning groups haven't really been in charge of the UK.

pjc50 5mo ago
> nationalists and right-leaning groups haven't really been in charge of the UK. Did you miss the whole Brexit thing?
- ericmay 5mo ago
  No, I didn't. But I wouldn't claim that a referendum that was voted on by the people of the country to be the same thing as right-leaning groups being in control of the government of the UK.
  - haritha-j 5mo ago
    Depends on who influenced them / paid for those buses.
    - ericmay 5mo ago
      No it doesn't. If the right was in charge of the government of the UK they wouldn't have needed to have a referendum or drum up support for it. Here's perhaps a concrete example to help piece this together. I live in Ohio. Our state government is right-leaning, and controlled by the Republican Party. The Republican Party has an anti-abortion platform. A couple of years ago, citizens got together, created, and then passed an amendment to the Ohio Constitution providing abortion access as a legal right. The right is still in control of the government, and that is true regardless of who paid to support the referendum, or how it was voted.