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"Blinded by nationalism" I don't know, seems like a clear concise message that has relevance in today's world.
by TehCorwiz 6mo ago
"Blinded by nationalism" I don't know, seems like a clear concise message that has relevance in today's world.
- hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 6mo agoIs it though? This can mean anything. Is waving a Palestinian flag the same as waving an Israeli flag? Where do we draw the line between harmful and productive nationalism? Who exactly is blinded by nationalism? It is vague enough to appear deep to those trying to find something deep but not concrete enough to appear as anything that will stick in people's minds for more than a week. Unfortunately a lot of modern art is like this.
- cm2012 6mo agoBoth Israel and Palestine are blinded by ideology. It is a very common failure mode for people.
- hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 6mo ago[flagged]
- lukan 6mo agoSo ... Hamas does not want to do ethnic cleansing and attempted that a couple of times, but simply were not as powerful to have a bigger impact?
- t-3 6mo agoResistance to illegal occupation and colonization isn't ethnic cleansing, it's a legal right as ruled by every international body since Israel was formed. Totally false equivalence.
- lukan 6mo agoIf you want to remove a certain set of people from land (people who were born there btw.) you are engaging in ethnic cleansing. The definition is clear here.
- runarberg 6mo agoWhen one is a colony of the other the flag of the colonized has added symbol of decolonization. The flag of the colonizers has no such symbol, quite the contrary in fact. These two flags are clearly distinct.
- Krunklefrit 6mo ago[dead]
- nkmnz 6mo agoWhen one is an organization terrorizing the other the flag of the terrorized has added symbol of anti-terror. The flag of the terrorists has no such symbol, quite the contrary in fact. These two flags are clearly distinct.
- runarberg 6mo agoYour attempt to paint me as a hypocrite fails because it assumes I don’t consider the flag of Palestine to be distinct from the flag of Hamas. But I do consider these to be distinct flags.
- nkmnz 6mo agoJust to get the record straight: I don’t paint you as a hypocrite. I paint you as a supporter of terrorists.
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- garyfirestorm 6mo agowaving any flag and thinking its us or them is equally blinding. the world is not vacuum and to coexist we need to put flags behind and work together.
- kergonath 6mo ago> Is waving a Palestinian flag the same as waving an Israeli flag? Waving a flag is not a problem in itself. You can be proud of being part of whatever group you like and not hurt anyone. The problem is when the flag becomes the prism through which you see the world. Or, as the statue puts it, when you’re blinded by it.
- JuniperMesos 6mo ago> Is it though? This can mean anything. Is waving a Palestinian flag the same as waving an Israeli flag? Where do we draw the line between harmful and productive nationalism? Who exactly is blinded by nationalism? Clearly it depends on your actual object-level position on the Israel/Palestine conflict. Or in general, what specific nationalisms you mean when you talk about being "blinded by nationalism". And that's the main reason why I think this is a mediocre piece of art. Very few people actually are genuinely anti-nationalist for all possible human groups that have some sense of themselves as a nation. All anti-nationalist rhetoric is implicitly aimed at a specific nationalism that someone has a problem with - and also everyone knows this. So everyone wants to use the blank slate of bansky's featureless flag as a canvas upon which to paint a nationalism they don't like in order to discredit it. And I personally think that's boring. Maybe engendering that reaction was itself part of Bansky's artistic vision, but I still don't think that makes for good art.
- pjc50 6mo agoIt was an extremely funny aspect of the Scottish Independence referendum to see people denouncing "nationalism" from in front of a Union Jack background.
- miketery 6mo agoWhy nationalism? A flag can represent more than a nation. Can be blinded by any "flag" / ideology.
- MattGaiser 6mo agoFlags overwhelmingly represent nations, groups considering themselves nations, that were nations or have some kind of individual governmental status.
- lucketone 6mo agoNations != governments. “Nations” as synonym for country started appearing only recently, in last two/three hundred years. Flags have thousands of years of history.
- kergonath 6mo agoFlags also represent causes, or groups that don’t aspire to becoming a nation.
- nephihaha 6mo agoThey don't at all. Consider for example that every single city, county and local council in the UK has a flag. There are flags for the United Nations, the European Union, Esperanto, every major football team and most political movements including the CND and anarchism.
- delusional 6mo agoInterpretations, in my art? Seriously, this is part of the fun of art. Neither of you are wrong for reading different messages into it.
- wrxd 6mo agoSince last summer a lot of flags appeared all over the UK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Raise_the_Colours https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Raise_the_Colours https://manchestermill.co.uk/the-men-who-raised-the-flags/ https://manchestermill.co.uk/the-men-who-raised-the-flags/
- socalgal2 6mo agoHow do you know it's "blinded by nationalism"? There are plenty of non-national flags which are just as blinding
- weavejester 6mo agoIn the UK there's been a recent spate of nationalist flag flying. Given the artist and location, "blinded by nationalism" is the most likely intended meaning.
- gib444 6mo ago> there's been a recent spate of nationalist flag flying Which spate and which nation? The one the local flags were in response to, or the local flags?
- 21asdffdsa12 6mo agoWell, at least he didnt blindly support islamosupremacism..