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So, perhaps a dumb question, but the article mentions that 14 steps have been added to the base of the Angel of Independence monument, and the Wikipedia article

So, perhaps a dumb question, but the article mentions that 14 steps have been added to the base of the Angel of Independence monument, and the Wikipedia article mentions the same things: > Originally, nine steps led to the base, but due to the sinking of the ground, an ongoing problem in Mexico City, fourteen more steps have been added. So why didn't the monument itself also sink? Does it have piles going down to bedrock or something?

wartywhoa23 6mo ago
Angels don't sink, they rise! :)
- AntiUSAbah 6mo ago
  Depending of what stories you want to reference with this: Lucifer, Belial, Beelzebub all did not 'rise'.
  - wartywhoa23 6mo ago
    Surely The Angel Of Independence must ascend, no? :)
    - sundarurfriend 6mo ago
      I don't know the actual Christian theology, but at least in modern popular interpretations, Lucifer is the Angel of Independence, so that would suggest no!
  - doodlebugging 6mo ago
    Probably depends on your frame of reference. Since we don't know where they started or where they are today it seems plausible that, relative to our own positions they may indeed have appeared to rise even though the text references state that they descended. We have no idea whether we might go up to heaven and down to hell or just across to them. We do know that everything in our universe is in motion and has been for a long time so it could be true that today we have to rise to get to both places if in fact either of them exist at all.
  - rpastuszak 6mo ago
    Useless trivia, but lucifer means “light bringer” in Latin (translation from the Greek phosphoros). Also known as the morning star, also known as Venus. There’s also the nocturnal / sunset aspect of Venus, noctifer/hesperus, so the evening star. It all ebbs and flows so I guess everyone is right:) (Also this not a uniquely Roman or Greek invention ofc)
    - TeMPOraL 6mo ago
      One man's useless trivia is another man's ideas for a project name :).
sandworm101 6mo ago
Also from wikipedia: ... "The commission determined that the foundations of the monument were poorly planned, so it was decided to demolish the structure." So yes, it has an engineered foundation, a double-engineered foundation. The roads around it almost certainly do not. So it is plausible that the monument is not sinking as quickly.
resist_futility 6mo ago
thousands of wooden piles to create a foundation with the first one even failing and the foundation being reconstructed http://www.mexicomaxico.org/ParisMex/resumen.htm http://www.mexicomaxico.org/ParisMex/resumen.htm

wartywhoa23 6mo ago

Angels don't sink, they rise! :)

AntiUSAbah 6mo ago
Depending of what stories you want to reference with this: Lucifer, Belial, Beelzebub all did not 'rise'.
- wartywhoa23 6mo ago
  Surely The Angel Of Independence must ascend, no? :)
  - sundarurfriend 6mo ago
    I don't know the actual Christian theology, but at least in modern popular interpretations, Lucifer is the Angel of Independence, so that would suggest no!
- doodlebugging 6mo ago
  Probably depends on your frame of reference. Since we don't know where they started or where they are today it seems plausible that, relative to our own positions they may indeed have appeared to rise even though the text references state that they descended. We have no idea whether we might go up to heaven and down to hell or just across to them. We do know that everything in our universe is in motion and has been for a long time so it could be true that today we have to rise to get to both places if in fact either of them exist at all.
- rpastuszak 6mo ago
  Useless trivia, but lucifer means “light bringer” in Latin (translation from the Greek phosphoros). Also known as the morning star, also known as Venus. There’s also the nocturnal / sunset aspect of Venus, noctifer/hesperus, so the evening star. It all ebbs and flows so I guess everyone is right:) (Also this not a uniquely Roman or Greek invention ofc)
  - TeMPOraL 6mo ago
    One man's useless trivia is another man's ideas for a project name :).

sandworm101 6mo ago

Also from wikipedia: ... "The commission determined that the foundations of the monument were poorly planned, so it was decided to demolish the structure." So yes, it has an engineered foundation, a double-engineered foundation. The roads around it almost certainly do not. So it is plausible that the monument is not sinking as quickly.

resist_futility 6mo ago

thousands of wooden piles to create a foundation with the first one even failing and the foundation being reconstructed http://www.mexicomaxico.org/ParisMex/resumen.htm http://www.mexicomaxico.org/ParisMex/resumen.htm