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> look like l33t h4xx0rs even though we're just pressing continue 15 times I feel seen. I also think there’s a certain element of reacting against absolutely

> look like l33t h4xx0rs even though we're just pressing continue 15 times I feel seen. I also think there’s a certain element of reacting against absolutely everything becoming a bloated electron app. I have no doubt - if it hasn’t already happened - that some apps will unironically embrace the most ridiculous option by shipping as electron apps that implement a TUI layer as their front-end.

Suro 5mo ago
Considering the insane memory consumption of claude code running in my terminal, electron was never really the problem, bad software was the culprit all along.
- onemoresoop 5mo ago
  Can’t say that electron does not encourage bad software, quite the opposite
  - treyd 5mo ago
    It's an example of bad code that further encourages more bad code.
- Redster 5mo ago
  Always has been.
- fasterik 5mo ago
  The culprit is using web technologies where they don't belong, which Electron is also guilty of. Claude Code is 400k lines of JavaScript for a TUI where a sane implementation in C would be two orders of magnitude less code.
- jorvi 5mo ago
  Yup. VSCode is really fast and memory-frugal for an Electron application of that complexity. Likewise, Gnome has proven that you can write entire UIs in Javascript and have them be quite performant. Electron (well, Node is a big sub-culprit) and Javascript in general just make it really easy to create a slow, bloated application.
MarsIronPI 5mo ago
Just wait till you hear about the wonders of React + Ink! Now you can have JS bloat in your terminal too! Jokes aside, I don't understand how devs can bring themselves to ship such inefficient apps.
john01dav 5mo ago
> I have no doubt - if it hasn’t already happened - that some apps will unironically embrace the most ridiculous option by shipping as electron apps that implement a TUI layer as their front-end. Claude code is almost there https://levelup.gitconnected.com/theres-a-react-app-running-in-your-terminal-right-now-31a22d8da2f6 https://levelup.gitconnected.com/theres-a-react-app-running-...
ornornor 5mo ago
> shipping as electron apps that implement a TUI layer as their front-end A significant number of these apps are nodejs apps so it’s not that much of a leap!
- bartread 5mo ago
  Yeah, I noticed some TUI libraries in npm when I was working on a Typescript project a couple of years back so I'm sure people are doing it.
WD-42 5mo ago
Claude code is react and their desktop app is Electron. But “coding is largely a solved problem”.
samgranieri 5mo ago
I really wish that 1Password wasn’t an electron app. Or Spotify. (Maybe I should just use Spotify in the browser). We need to advocate and evangelize for native apps, like RapidApi on macOS and also Tower.
girvo 5mo ago
Except most of the TUIs I’m seeing are god awful with horrible input latency because they’ve reimplemented everything from scratch in python or whatever. Multiple hundreds of ms per keystroke: it sucks.

Suro 5mo ago

Considering the insane memory consumption of claude code running in my terminal, electron was never really the problem, bad software was the culprit all along.

onemoresoop 5mo ago
Can’t say that electron does not encourage bad software, quite the opposite
- treyd 5mo ago
  It's an example of bad code that further encourages more bad code.
Redster 5mo ago
Always has been.
fasterik 5mo ago
The culprit is using web technologies where they don't belong, which Electron is also guilty of. Claude Code is 400k lines of JavaScript for a TUI where a sane implementation in C would be two orders of magnitude less code.
jorvi 5mo ago
Yup. VSCode is really fast and memory-frugal for an Electron application of that complexity. Likewise, Gnome has proven that you can write entire UIs in Javascript and have them be quite performant. Electron (well, Node is a big sub-culprit) and Javascript in general just make it really easy to create a slow, bloated application.

MarsIronPI 5mo ago

Just wait till you hear about the wonders of React + Ink! Now you can have JS bloat in your terminal too! Jokes aside, I don't understand how devs can bring themselves to ship such inefficient apps.

john01dav 5mo ago

> I have no doubt - if it hasn’t already happened - that some apps will unironically embrace the most ridiculous option by shipping as electron apps that implement a TUI layer as their front-end. Claude code is almost there https://levelup.gitconnected.com/theres-a-react-app-running-in-your-terminal-right-now-31a22d8da2f6 https://levelup.gitconnected.com/theres-a-react-app-running-...

ornornor 5mo ago

> shipping as electron apps that implement a TUI layer as their front-end A significant number of these apps are nodejs apps so it’s not that much of a leap!

bartread 5mo ago
Yeah, I noticed some TUI libraries in npm when I was working on a Typescript project a couple of years back so I'm sure people are doing it.

WD-42 5mo ago

Claude code is react and their desktop app is Electron. But “coding is largely a solved problem”.

samgranieri 5mo ago

I really wish that 1Password wasn’t an electron app. Or Spotify. (Maybe I should just use Spotify in the browser). We need to advocate and evangelize for native apps, like RapidApi on macOS and also Tower.

girvo 5mo ago

Except most of the TUIs I’m seeing are god awful with horrible input latency because they’ve reimplemented everything from scratch in python or whatever. Multiple hundreds of ms per keystroke: it sucks.