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Yes, I think Porsche has a responsive excellent design with their infotainment / button combination though recent SUV / sedan models have moved to capacitive bu

Yes, I think Porsche has a responsive excellent design with their infotainment / button combination though recent SUV / sedan models have moved to capacitive buttons and more touch screen controls and worsened the experience. To be fair, it is outsourced to Harmon/Kardon.

dotancohen 6mo ago
Last month I spoke to a woman driving a Porsche SUV. I was appalled to hear that she is trading it in for a Tesla model Y. I drive a Tesla, and I love it, but it is nowhere near the level of a Porsche. She claims that the model Y is quieter then the Porsche and she loves the self-driving. I advised her to take the Tesla for a long test drive before selling her Porshe, she said that her son in law has one.
- kakacik 6mo ago
  Marketing beats quality, also a valid approach. Also a reason why suvs and their more ridiculous variants picked up so well. People don't need cars that are worse to drive, but sure as hell they want one because others have them.
  - dotancohen 6mo ago
    Does Tesla do marketing? They don't advertise in my country.
    - donkyrf 6mo ago
      Tesla historically focused on what marketers refer to as "earned media" rather than "paid media", but it was still marketing. Those Musk and Tesla headlines that happened around the world didn't occur by accident. That said, they've also been buying ads for the last few years as their growth has sputtered in the face of competition.
  - CrimsonRain 6mo ago
    So you want me to put my big luggage, 3 carry ons and a big stroller in a sedan trunk?
    - dotancohen 6mo ago
      That has nothing to do with the conversion. However I've actually fit all that and more in my Model 3 Tesla. The trunks are huge.
- thefounder 6mo ago
  Little she knows that if she uses the “self driving” from Tesla she may get into a death trap.
  - sneak 5mo ago
    It’s way safer than most human drivers. I use it all of the time.
    - solumunus 5mo ago
      It’s better than you?
      - fragmede 5mo ago
        Than on the worst day of your life after your dog died and you didn't get any sleep? Yes.
        thefounder 5mo ago
        Maybe you shouldn’t drive that day. Tesla is not FSD. In case there is an accident you are the one responsible. Looking on a photo of your dog while Tesla is ramming into someone? Your day just got worse
        fragmede 5mo ago
        Yes. Let me just be sure to make only totally rational decisions like staying home instead of going to a friend's house while I'm emotionally distraught while driving. I'm sure everyone out there is able to accomplish that. Tesla's, along with most other modern cars, have an AEB system, which hits the brakes if the driver is ramming into something.
    - r14c 5mo ago
      Do the stats back up your anecdote? iirc Tesla autopilot has some bad failure cases
- CrimsonRain 6mo ago
  It is true though. The level of porche is in the brand only; there isn't a single porche that is better than a juniper for a daily driver. She's making an excellent choice.
  - jjtheblunt 6mo ago
    what's a juniper?
    - CrimsonRain 6mo ago
      the 2025/2026 Model Y.
      - jjtheblunt 5mo ago
        oh cool. i hadn't known that codename. thanks.
  - walletdrainer 6mo ago
    Did you somehow get a juniper which doesn’t suffer from significant road and wind noise?
- Infinitesimus 6mo ago
  That isn't surprising for most people. It is also hard to say without knowing which year and model Porsche she was driving. Someone with a Cayenne Turbo GT will have a different experience from someone with a 1st gen base Macan. A juniper Model Y is very fast, no engine noise, can drive itself better than a lot of cars on the highway for a similar price, doesn't need gas - convenient if you have a fast charger at home/work, fewer moving parts to think about in your day to day and control. I like knobs and AA and will never make that trade... but it makes perfect sense for many people who don't mind the interface. I'm glad Genesis still has knobs and Lexus is getting back to that now. The German luxury cars can't rely on fantastic engines alone forever.
  - walletdrainer 6mo ago
    IME the juniper model Y has crazy road and wind noise, it’s certainly louder in the cabin than my S63 which has a V8. Fast? Sure.
bonestamp2 6mo ago
> it is outsourced to Harmon/Kardon Many automakers use them for their headunits (ex. both my Chrysler minivan and my Porshce have HK headunits). The headunit in my porsche is also in some VW models and for the HN crew there are some fun hacks you can do with a usb stick to customize some features, including making carplay fullscreen (tap the porsche app to return to the porsche UI)... https://github.com/LawPaul/MH2p_SD_ModKit https://github.com/LawPaul/MH2p_SD_ModKit

dotancohen 6mo ago

Last month I spoke to a woman driving a Porsche SUV. I was appalled to hear that she is trading it in for a Tesla model Y. I drive a Tesla, and I love it, but it is nowhere near the level of a Porsche. She claims that the model Y is quieter then the Porsche and she loves the self-driving. I advised her to take the Tesla for a long test drive before selling her Porshe, she said that her son in law has one.

kakacik 6mo ago
Marketing beats quality, also a valid approach. Also a reason why suvs and their more ridiculous variants picked up so well. People don't need cars that are worse to drive, but sure as hell they want one because others have them.
- dotancohen 6mo ago
  Does Tesla do marketing? They don't advertise in my country.
  - donkyrf 6mo ago
    Tesla historically focused on what marketers refer to as "earned media" rather than "paid media", but it was still marketing. Those Musk and Tesla headlines that happened around the world didn't occur by accident. That said, they've also been buying ads for the last few years as their growth has sputtered in the face of competition.
- CrimsonRain 6mo ago
  So you want me to put my big luggage, 3 carry ons and a big stroller in a sedan trunk?
  - dotancohen 6mo ago
    That has nothing to do with the conversion. However I've actually fit all that and more in my Model 3 Tesla. The trunks are huge.
thefounder 6mo ago
Little she knows that if she uses the “self driving” from Tesla she may get into a death trap.
- sneak 5mo ago
  It’s way safer than most human drivers. I use it all of the time.
  - solumunus 5mo ago
    It’s better than you?
    - fragmede 5mo ago
      Than on the worst day of your life after your dog died and you didn't get any sleep? Yes.
      - thefounder 5mo ago
        Maybe you shouldn’t drive that day. Tesla is not FSD. In case there is an accident you are the one responsible. Looking on a photo of your dog while Tesla is ramming into someone? Your day just got worse
        fragmede 5mo ago
        Yes. Let me just be sure to make only totally rational decisions like staying home instead of going to a friend's house while I'm emotionally distraught while driving. I'm sure everyone out there is able to accomplish that. Tesla's, along with most other modern cars, have an AEB system, which hits the brakes if the driver is ramming into something.
  - r14c 5mo ago
    Do the stats back up your anecdote? iirc Tesla autopilot has some bad failure cases
CrimsonRain 6mo ago
It is true though. The level of porche is in the brand only; there isn't a single porche that is better than a juniper for a daily driver. She's making an excellent choice.
- jjtheblunt 6mo ago
  what's a juniper?
  - CrimsonRain 6mo ago
    the 2025/2026 Model Y.
    - jjtheblunt 5mo ago
      oh cool. i hadn't known that codename. thanks.
- walletdrainer 6mo ago
  Did you somehow get a juniper which doesn’t suffer from significant road and wind noise?
Infinitesimus 6mo ago
That isn't surprising for most people. It is also hard to say without knowing which year and model Porsche she was driving. Someone with a Cayenne Turbo GT will have a different experience from someone with a 1st gen base Macan. A juniper Model Y is very fast, no engine noise, can drive itself better than a lot of cars on the highway for a similar price, doesn't need gas - convenient if you have a fast charger at home/work, fewer moving parts to think about in your day to day and control. I like knobs and AA and will never make that trade... but it makes perfect sense for many people who don't mind the interface. I'm glad Genesis still has knobs and Lexus is getting back to that now. The German luxury cars can't rely on fantastic engines alone forever.
- walletdrainer 6mo ago
  IME the juniper model Y has crazy road and wind noise, it’s certainly louder in the cabin than my S63 which has a V8. Fast? Sure.

bonestamp2 6mo ago

> it is outsourced to Harmon/Kardon Many automakers use them for their headunits (ex. both my Chrysler minivan and my Porshce have HK headunits). The headunit in my porsche is also in some VW models and for the HN crew there are some fun hacks you can do with a usb stick to customize some features, including making carplay fullscreen (tap the porsche app to return to the porsche UI)... https://github.com/LawPaul/MH2p_SD_ModKit https://github.com/LawPaul/MH2p_SD_ModKit