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VPNs are on their way toward being banned and/or heavily regulated. I imagine what will happen is a requirement for VPN providers to "know your customer" just a
by Nifty3929 5mo ago
VPNs are on their way toward being banned and/or heavily regulated. I imagine what will happen is a requirement for VPN providers to "know your customer" just as banks do, and for them to be able to tie a particular traffic stream back to a specific human.
- mrbluecoat 5mo agoHow will they ban self-hosted VPNs? https://mrbluecoat.blogspot.com/2025/08/self-hosted-vpn-options.html https://mrbluecoat.blogspot.com/2025/08/self-hosted-vpn-opti...
- wilkystyle 5mo ago"Utah to hold Cloud providers liable for failing to police self-hosted VPNs on their infrastructure"
- lokar 5mo agoThe question is not how will they ban it, they just pass a law. The question is how and when will they enforce it. When they get access to your devices for some other reason, they will see it. It will give them another easy to prosecute law to use against you.
- quietsegfault 5mo agoRight. The arbitrary nature of enforcement is a feature.
- kiba 5mo agoSeems like they will do that too.
- thfuran 5mo agoBan them, demand GitHub et al take down the illegal repos, hit up Microsoft for records of everyone who ever downloaded them, hosting providers for customer records, and ISPs for lists of customers with VPN-shaped traffic between themselves and their hosting provider. Or if they’re lazy, just demand that the hosting providers sort it out.
- bethekidyouwant 5mo agoWhat are you talking about what? What illegal repo? SSH? Socks? That doesn’t make any sense dude
- ijk 5mo agoSecure encryption has been classified as controlled munitions in the past. Making SSH illegal is well within the range of possible futures. It'd be a stupid future, but it's a stupid present so I'm not going to rule it out on those grounds.
- thfuran 5mo agoIt doesn’t really make any sense to ban vpns, but that was the premise and not altogether implausible despite being nonsensical.
- ozlikethewizard 5mo agoThis assumes US citizens using exclusively US based VPNs. You'd have to block all outside internet access as well, or you cannot stop someone in the US using a VPN based in another country (short of IP whackamole).
- thfuran 5mo agoTo an extent, but the US often compels foreign companies to either not deal with US customers or put up with US’s bullshit, so they could potentially get compliance from major overseas providers. More onerous domestic policy could also prevent it, like requiring that domestic network providers block unauthorized encrypted connections to foreign entities. And anyways, making something illegal doesn’t actually require making it physically impossible to do.
- nunez 5mo agoEasily. Host them on the cloud providers? You get banned. Host them in your homelab and the ISP finds out? You get your Internet cut. How will either of them find out? IP addresses and/or DPI. All it'll take is an executive order or an act of Congress.
- mycall 5mo agoThere are plenty of other ways to virtual data without a VPN, e.g. sockpuppets, ipfs, etc. Since data tends to drift towards being free, it is a game of wack-a-mole.
- macintux 5mo agoHow many users are going to have the technical acumen & desire to keep playing the game? At some point the number of people who are going to be able to succeed is so small they might know who you are just by virtue of you continuing to compete.
- rirze 5mo agoAll you need is one and a good business model. Modern adblocking emerged exactly in the same way. The majority of people who use adblock have no idea what current techniques and methods are used.
- leshenka 5mo agoEasy: - know ip ranges of popular cloud providers and deny service. Not bulletproof but enough to make it a pain in the ass so people don’t bother - make it illegal to offer this kind of service for the purpose of evading location detection. Put pressure on Apple and Google, force them to remove vpn apps You guys need to start reading on Russia's war on internet and treat it as a cautionary tale
- m463 5mo agohow will they ban the icloud proxy? Or is it not really a vpn? or the firefox vpn?