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My Ubuntu servers have been in an undefined state since canonical botched a regular upgrade to 26.04 LTS due to the ongoing DDOS. Their status page says everyth

by noosphr 6mo ago

My Ubuntu servers have been in an undefined state since canonical botched a regular upgrade to 26.04 LTS due to the ongoing DDOS. Their status page says everything works. A simple ping tells me nothing works. Let's not pretend Microsoft has a monopoly on idiocy in the software world. All major Linux distros are hell bent on repeating the mistakes of Windows. Especially since the people in control of the stack (minus the kernel) are the rejects who couldn't make it in Microsoft and Apple in the 90s and 00s but really wanted to. Meanwhile my small happy place with OpenBSD and Guix just works.

codedokode 6mo ago
Linux has lot of bugs and issues, but they are not caused by intention to make users' life worse.
- noosphr 6mo ago
  They are caused by moral busy bodies who think they know better. To quote CS Lewis: >Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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  - gchamonlive 6mo ago
    > They are caused by moral busy bodies who think they know better. If you know better just hack it your way. Linux is an open platform. Nothing prevents you from gutting Ubuntu and making it your own. You can't say the same for Windows though. So I guess is not a matter of monopoly of idiocy, but whether you can do something about idiot decisions when they are made. This is why an open platform will always win. It's just architecturally better for the end user.
    - fasterik 6mo ago
      >If you know better just hack it your way. While this might be technically true, I also think it's a lazy argument that ignores practical reality. It's basically a way to avoid any kind of accountability or self-reflection on the part of developers. "Users aren't happy? If they don't want to make the change themselves, they can fuck off." This is a toxic attitude which I see a lot in discussions of free software. In practice, 99% of the time it's not worth the time and effort to fork and maintain a large project. Even in a free ecosystem, users get locked into specific products and technologies. This is why sane technical leadership and responsiveness to user feedback are important, even (especially?) in open source projects.
      - gchamonlive 6mo ago
        Can you tell me an instance where users got locked into a dying ecosystem in Linux? What I can tell you is that CentOS, which was used extensively in servers, died and you didn't really see much issue, at least not as much as compared to the pain and suffering users are having to go through now that Windows is the dying place. What's lazy is the repetition of this realist fallacy of the technical lockin, when in fact what you really have is what you see, an open platform you can very well just leave for another when you disagree with the current vendor. Dislike Ubuntu and you can very well migrate. That's the practical reality.
        fasterik 6mo ago
        There are several software packages that are essentially mandatory if you want to run a modern distro with good desktop hardware support. Some that come to mind are glibc, systemd, and Wayland. These projects have made controversial design decisions which impact the entire ecosystem of Linux software. I actually did leave Ubuntu because background Snap updates were randomly crashing running applications. Now, I'm fairly happy with Fedora, but it's far from perfect. I reject the idea that if I have technical critiques of these projects, that the fault somehow lies with me if I'm not willing to waste my time jumping distros or rewriting them myself. That attitude is exactly analogous to the user-hostile bullshit coming out of Microsoft.
  - luqtas 6mo ago
    CS Lewis: a prolific author of fantasy, science fiction, and Christian apologetics
    - maleldil 6mo ago
      Does that mean what he says is less valuable? > Fairy tales are more than true: not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten. Said by a monster himself, but doesn't make it any less true.
    - Scroll_Swe 6mo ago
      In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.
  - kwertyoowiyop 6mo ago
    CS Lewis certainly got it wrong, if he believed that the greed of robber barons can ever be satisfied. I’ll take the moral busybodies, if I have to take either.
  - zbentley 6mo ago
    Tangential, but how is > The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated Holding up in 2026? Pretty poorly, I’d say.
  - smackeyacky 6mo ago
    How ironic. Reactionary old fart mostly known for writing moralistic children’s novels wants you not to listen to moralistic crusaders. I shall take his advice.
- charcircuit 6mo ago
  There is plenty of elitism going on where everyday users' experience is intentionally made bad.
- deathanatos 6mo ago
  … Linux literally just had the age-verification outcry, and the "let's put AI in Ubuntu" thing, and that's just off the top of my head. I want to toot the Linux horn too, and I do think MS is on another level here, but let's take a look in the mirror first.
- red_admiral 6mo ago
  Intention or not, Gnome 3's "desktops are outdated" caused even Linus to switch away from it.
  - tapoxi 6mo ago
    He actually still uses GNOME, at least as recently as 5 months ago. I'm a KDE user but I get why people like it.
    - snowpid 6mo ago
      and I am a GNOME user and I find it totally fine to use KDE. Thats the cool thing about open plattforms. Just some people having too much time to make a UI interface part of their personality rant too much on the internet about other UI interfaces.
  - olyjohn 6mo ago
    What's your point? At least he was able to switch away from it and choose from any plethora of other options.
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ninjagoo 6mo ago
> My Ubuntu servers have been in an undefined state since canonical botched a regular upgrade to 26.04 LTS due to the ongoing DDOS. Their status page says everything works. A simple ping tells me nothing works. So is it the DDOS that's responsible, status page notwithstanding? Anyway, heard about Timeshift for Ubuntu on here, might be worth taking a look at it: https://github.com/linuxmint/timeshift https://github.com/linuxmint/timeshift Doesn't require a GUI, so it can be used for servers/headless too. Please note that's it's not a backup solution, just an OS snapshot one, albeit with scheduling.
kelvinjps10 6mo ago
You can download from a different mirror in linux and open source you always have another option
Kamq 6mo ago
> Let's not pretend Microsoft has a monopoly on idiocy in the software world. Entirely fair, but let's not pretend the situation is symmetrical. Canonical doesn't have monopoly on the linux or broader *nix world the same way that Microsoft has on the Windows world.
LocalH 6mo ago
normalize coming up through slackware like many did in the 90s

by noosphr 6mo ago

codedokode 6mo ago

Linux has lot of bugs and issues, but they are not caused by intention to make users' life worse.

noosphr 6mo ago
They are caused by moral busy bodies who think they know better. To quote CS Lewis: >Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
- deleted 6mo ago
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- gchamonlive 6mo ago
  > They are caused by moral busy bodies who think they know better. If you know better just hack it your way. Linux is an open platform. Nothing prevents you from gutting Ubuntu and making it your own. You can't say the same for Windows though. So I guess is not a matter of monopoly of idiocy, but whether you can do something about idiot decisions when they are made. This is why an open platform will always win. It's just architecturally better for the end user.
  - fasterik 6mo ago
    >If you know better just hack it your way. While this might be technically true, I also think it's a lazy argument that ignores practical reality. It's basically a way to avoid any kind of accountability or self-reflection on the part of developers. "Users aren't happy? If they don't want to make the change themselves, they can fuck off." This is a toxic attitude which I see a lot in discussions of free software. In practice, 99% of the time it's not worth the time and effort to fork and maintain a large project. Even in a free ecosystem, users get locked into specific products and technologies. This is why sane technical leadership and responsiveness to user feedback are important, even (especially?) in open source projects.
    - gchamonlive 6mo ago
      Can you tell me an instance where users got locked into a dying ecosystem in Linux? What I can tell you is that CentOS, which was used extensively in servers, died and you didn't really see much issue, at least not as much as compared to the pain and suffering users are having to go through now that Windows is the dying place. What's lazy is the repetition of this realist fallacy of the technical lockin, when in fact what you really have is what you see, an open platform you can very well just leave for another when you disagree with the current vendor. Dislike Ubuntu and you can very well migrate. That's the practical reality.
      - fasterik 6mo ago
        There are several software packages that are essentially mandatory if you want to run a modern distro with good desktop hardware support. Some that come to mind are glibc, systemd, and Wayland. These projects have made controversial design decisions which impact the entire ecosystem of Linux software. I actually did leave Ubuntu because background Snap updates were randomly crashing running applications. Now, I'm fairly happy with Fedora, but it's far from perfect. I reject the idea that if I have technical critiques of these projects, that the fault somehow lies with me if I'm not willing to waste my time jumping distros or rewriting them myself. That attitude is exactly analogous to the user-hostile bullshit coming out of Microsoft.
- luqtas 6mo ago
  CS Lewis: a prolific author of fantasy, science fiction, and Christian apologetics
  - maleldil 6mo ago
    Does that mean what he says is less valuable? > Fairy tales are more than true: not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten. Said by a monster himself, but doesn't make it any less true.
  - Scroll_Swe 6mo ago
    In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.
- kwertyoowiyop 6mo ago
  CS Lewis certainly got it wrong, if he believed that the greed of robber barons can ever be satisfied. I’ll take the moral busybodies, if I have to take either.
- zbentley 6mo ago
  Tangential, but how is > The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated Holding up in 2026? Pretty poorly, I’d say.
- smackeyacky 6mo ago
  How ironic. Reactionary old fart mostly known for writing moralistic children’s novels wants you not to listen to moralistic crusaders. I shall take his advice.
charcircuit 6mo ago
There is plenty of elitism going on where everyday users' experience is intentionally made bad.
deathanatos 6mo ago
… Linux literally just had the age-verification outcry, and the "let's put AI in Ubuntu" thing, and that's just off the top of my head. I want to toot the Linux horn too, and I do think MS is on another level here, but let's take a look in the mirror first.
red_admiral 6mo ago
Intention or not, Gnome 3's "desktops are outdated" caused even Linus to switch away from it.
- tapoxi 6mo ago
  He actually still uses GNOME, at least as recently as 5 months ago. I'm a KDE user but I get why people like it.
  - snowpid 6mo ago
    and I am a GNOME user and I find it totally fine to use KDE. Thats the cool thing about open plattforms. Just some people having too much time to make a UI interface part of their personality rant too much on the internet about other UI interfaces.
- olyjohn 6mo ago
  What's your point? At least he was able to switch away from it and choose from any plethora of other options.
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ninjagoo 6mo ago

> My Ubuntu servers have been in an undefined state since canonical botched a regular upgrade to 26.04 LTS due to the ongoing DDOS. Their status page says everything works. A simple ping tells me nothing works. So is it the DDOS that's responsible, status page notwithstanding? Anyway, heard about Timeshift for Ubuntu on here, might be worth taking a look at it: https://github.com/linuxmint/timeshift https://github.com/linuxmint/timeshift Doesn't require a GUI, so it can be used for servers/headless too. Please note that's it's not a backup solution, just an OS snapshot one, albeit with scheduling.

kelvinjps10 6mo ago

You can download from a different mirror in linux and open source you always have another option

Kamq 6mo ago

> Let's not pretend Microsoft has a monopoly on idiocy in the software world. Entirely fair, but let's not pretend the situation is symmetrical. Canonical doesn't have monopoly on the linux or broader *nix world the same way that Microsoft has on the Windows world.

LocalH 6mo ago

normalize coming up through slackware like many did in the 90s