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That reasoning fails flat given the same studios have no issues supporting iOS, PlayStation, Swift and XBox, which are completely alien to what is used on Andro

by pjmlp 6mo ago

That reasoning fails flat given the same studios have no issues supporting iOS, PlayStation, Swift and XBox, which are completely alien to what is used on Android NDK, APIs that are GNU/Linux compatible for 3D rendering, audio and asset loading. Valve basically failed to provide the business value for those studios.

mschuster91 6mo ago
> given the same studios have no issues supporting iOS, PlayStation, Swift and XBox PlayStation and Xbox don't go and cause you constant churn, at least not in the same console generation, and maintenance churn on iOS is only bearable for app developers because there are so many people using it that you can afford to pay the extra effort.
- pjmlp 6mo ago
  Glad that we agree it is a Linux problem.
WhyNotHugo 6mo ago
> Valve basically failed to provide the business value for those studios. For a studio selling their games via Steam, there is no benefit in making a Linux build. Their clients still need Steam to run it, and there's no practical different between Steam creating a container with a dedicate Linux userspace or with a dedicated Proton setup. The audience that REALLY cares whether the game is Linux-native or not is likely the audience that wouldn't want to use Steam.
- pjmlp 6mo ago
  Steam isn't the only store in town. Actually, Valve could do an Apple and require native ports. Using Proton to run Windows games is no different of using MAME, UAE,...
arka2147483647 6mo ago
All of those platforms are HUGE and well worth the hassle. I think Valve is trying to leverage the Steam Storefront into a full-fledged Platform. It is not quite there yet. As such, they have invested a lot of effort into the compatibility layers, which allows gamedevs to support Steam Devices with no extra effort, or minimal effort, which is very important business vise. As a gamedev, you essentially get a bonus platform for your game without extra dev effort!
- pjmlp 6mo ago
  Doesn't change the fact that Valve failed to create a business proposition to make native Linux a platform that is well worth the hassle.

by pjmlp 6mo ago

mschuster91 6mo ago

> given the same studios have no issues supporting iOS, PlayStation, Swift and XBox PlayStation and Xbox don't go and cause you constant churn, at least not in the same console generation, and maintenance churn on iOS is only bearable for app developers because there are so many people using it that you can afford to pay the extra effort.

pjmlp 6mo ago
Glad that we agree it is a Linux problem.

WhyNotHugo 6mo ago

> Valve basically failed to provide the business value for those studios. For a studio selling their games via Steam, there is no benefit in making a Linux build. Their clients still need Steam to run it, and there's no practical different between Steam creating a container with a dedicate Linux userspace or with a dedicated Proton setup. The audience that REALLY cares whether the game is Linux-native or not is likely the audience that wouldn't want to use Steam.

pjmlp 6mo ago
Steam isn't the only store in town. Actually, Valve could do an Apple and require native ports. Using Proton to run Windows games is no different of using MAME, UAE,...

arka2147483647 6mo ago

All of those platforms are HUGE and well worth the hassle. I think Valve is trying to leverage the Steam Storefront into a full-fledged Platform. It is not quite there yet. As such, they have invested a lot of effort into the compatibility layers, which allows gamedevs to support Steam Devices with no extra effort, or minimal effort, which is very important business vise. As a gamedev, you essentially get a bonus platform for your game without extra dev effort!

pjmlp 6mo ago
Doesn't change the fact that Valve failed to create a business proposition to make native Linux a platform that is well worth the hassle.