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The news is not in the way to compare models, it’s that Kimi K2.6 (and I’d add Deepseek v4 Pro) are more or less equivalent to Opus and that’s already pretty bi
by pjerem 5mo ago
The news is not in the way to compare models, it’s that Kimi K2.6 (and I’d add Deepseek v4 Pro) are more or less equivalent to Opus and that’s already pretty big.
They are open source and cost waaaay less per token than American models.
I’m using them right now on the $20 Ollama cloud plan and I can actually work with them on my side projects without reaching the limits too much. With Claude Pro $20 plan my usage can barely survive one or two prompts.
And I choose Ollama cloud just because their CLI is convenient to use but their are a lot of other providers for those models so you aren’t even stuck with shitty conditions and usage rules.
To me that’s a pretty bad thing for American economy.
- chvid 5mo agoOr maybe it is a pretty good thing for the American economy that you can get AI at cost rather than monopoly pricing. You know, for the rest of the economy that is not big tech.
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- PunchyHamster 5mo agoIt's not good for current administration. The American AI growth is only thing that keeps the GDP not looking terrible. And investor pumping money in US AI circular money flow just makes innovation everywhere else slower. If not for the GPU/Memory drought running stuff locally (or just in competition cloud) would be far cheaper
- arvid-lind 5mo ago> It's not good for current administration I don't know where to begin if you're leading with that. Anything approaching reality is not good for the current administration.
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- Cookingboy 5mo ago> for American economy. There is more to American economy than big tech. And that's precisely why this has started: https://www.wired.com/story/super-pac-backed-by-openai-and-palantir-is-paying-tiktok-influencers-to-fear-monger-about-china/ https://www.wired.com/story/super-pac-backed-by-openai-and-p...
- joe_mamba 5mo ago>There is more to American economy than big tech. Most of the stock market valuation is big-tech, and most of people's retirements are the stock market, so... if the AI bubble bursts a lot of the US will be affected.
- rurban 5mo agoThey are no way as good as Opus yet. But Sonnet, yes. Using all in real life.
- alansaber 5mo agoI appreciate your reply but you are completely glossing over his point about how head to head model evals are useless lmao
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- nelox 5mo agoThat is the very reason the open source models exist. Prestige and soft power to influence interest away from American models and hopefully slow down their progress.
- zozbot234 5mo agoDeepSeek and other Chinese model makers are massively accelerating progress in AI not slowing it down. They're the only ones who still come up with real technical innovations while the proprietary model makers are stagnating.
- Sammi 5mo agoI'm as happy to see cheap open weight models any anyone is, and I'm in Europe and certainly not cheering the US on, but that's a bunch of unfounded hyperbole you just said.
- overfeed 5mo agoYou should read the research papers that come out with Deepseek releases. There is a reason why the first Deepseek release briefly caused existential panic.
- Sammi 5mo agoI did not and am not inclined to invest the time to do so. But I did read some second hand reports that what was new and exciting was that they found some really good performance optimizations. The thing about deekseek publishing this is that now everyone has this. Or did I miss something?
- DroneBetter 5mo agofrom the "DeepSeek is a ploy to undermine usamerican models' duopoly" theory's perspective, "now everyone has this" helps them achieve this goal more efficiently. especially if it's something that the major companies had already stumbled upon (something equivalent to) and regarded as a trade secret.
- amunozo 5mo agoI am using both on OpenCode Go plan and they're pretty good, but I would say still not at the same level at GPT-5.5 in my experience, I don't know about Opus. On a different note, is Ollama cloud good?
- pjerem 5mo ago> is Ollama cloud good? I'd say they have reliability issues but for the price it's worth it. I like that usage isn't measured per token but per computation time, which means that you get more usage when models become more efficient.