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Ladybird has a close relationship with FUTO which is a pretty oddly behaved private for-profit company ran by a bored multi-millionaire. https://drewdevault.co
by jordand 6mo ago
Ladybird has a close relationship with FUTO which is a pretty oddly behaved private for-profit company ran by a bored multi-millionaire.
https://drewdevault.com/blog/Whats-up-with-FUTO/ https://drewdevault.com/blog/Whats-up-with-FUTO/
- notenlish 6mo agoDidn't realize FUTO was connected to Eron Wolf, which connects to Curtis Yarvin, which connects to Palantir. Great...
- sethops1 6mo agoWhat, do you sincerely believe Palantir is pulling the strings behind Ladybird? What is the accusation here? Everybody can be "connected" in some way or another, but it's meaningless.
- SoKamil 6mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation 4 steps is not so bad
- chipotle_coyote 6mo agoI think it's more a concern about the company one keeps; Ladybird's Andreas Kling has certainly ruffled feathers over the past couple of years by doubling down on anti-inclusionary language takes ("I'm not against gender neutral language, I'm just not going to allow it in my project") and supporting DHH's most douchebaggiest takes. I understand that not everybody cares about this sort of thing, believing that politics of developers should be irrelevant; I'm personally not going to go around ringing the shame bell at people who use Ladybird (or Rails. But Kling loudly shouting "I support the free speech rights of fascists but get away from me with that DEI shit" doesn't give me warm fuzzies about using Ladybird, either. It's a lot easier to let politics of developers be irrelevant if the developers aren't out there energetically sharing them.
- notenlish 6mo agoI don't think Palantir is behind Ladybird, I just wish FUTO wasn't connected to Eron Wolf.
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- preisschild 6mo agoThey even did a video with Curtis Yarvin on their official channel...
- dirasieb 6mo ago[dead]
- hitekker 6mo ago[flagged]
- kelvinjps10 6mo agoI thought it was more related to Louis Rossmann that's where I learnend from
- LeFantome 6mo agoLouis Rossmann Is directly related to FUTO and has passionately advocated for them. Ladybird has taken sponsorship money from FUTO and claims publicly that sponsorship provides no influence.
- kelvinjps10 6mo agoYeah but in the comments they're naming other people I never heard of
- LeFantome 6mo agoBy “close relationship”, I assume you mean that FUTO is a financial sponsor. Ladybird has been pretty clear that they will accept money from pretty much anybody but that funding will not provide influence. I mean, they mostly make sure sponsors websites look good in Ladybird but even that seems like a low priority if you watch them.
- fabrice_d 6mo agoIt's very naive to believe the "no influence" part. I will never give to Ladybird given their closeness with fascists. Is that the kind of influence they expect?
- kbelder 6mo agoI guess you'll have no influence over Ladybird, then.
- jordand 6mo agoAndreas is involved with FUTO's conferences, and given a keynote presentation at one. It's more than just financial.
- hitekker 6mo agoAnd Drew Devault, your source, has brazenly deceived HN before https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41838124 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41838124 To be clear, that source is happy to lie about their own identity and run away from basic questions. I'd treat this as another ill-baked cancel campaign unless someone actually credible speaks up
- csb6 6mo agoI've never understood that stance because surely the mere threat (even implied) of a sponsor removing thousands in funding would be enough to exert influence on the project. The sponsor money is used to pay developers to work on Ladybird so a major sponsor pulling out could mean laying off core developers, which the project would obviously be motivated to prevent.