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I think especially given TFA and our inferred history with them that they were terrifying apex predators who occasionally raped human women. I don’t much belie

by junofan 5mo ago

I think especially given TFA and our inferred history with them that they were terrifying apex predators who occasionally raped human women. I don’t much believe the friendly smiling museum depictions that have lately become fashionable. Their eyes alone would have made them something you didn’t want to run into at night.

dismalaf 5mo ago
> TFA and our inferred history with them that they were terrifying apex predators All humans are. Neanderthals, Sapiens, modern humans, we are all apex predators. > occasionally raped human women The article doesn't suggest that. While it's plausible, there's also evidence of Sapien/Neanderthal cooperation and mingling: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260412071005.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260412071005.h... And lets not forget that all hominins fight amongst themselves, rape each other, etc... The assumption that Neanderthals were particularly brutish is just that, an assumption.
- card_zero 5mo ago
  There is however a suggestion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal#Interbreeding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal#Interbreeding > According to Svante Pääbo, it is not clear that modern humans were socially dominant over Neanderthals, which may explain why the interbreeding occurred primarily between Neanderthal males and modern human females. Unless read as suggesting "Neanderthal males were hugely charismatic"?
  - pegasus 5mo ago
    ...or "Neanderthal males were huge, thus charismatic" :)
  - dismalaf 5mo ago
    In current-day interracial dating dynamics there are preferred race and gender combos and this is shown through lots of statistics. The answer isn't necessarily rape...
opan 5mo ago
Are there any good illustrations showing how much bigger their eyes were compared to modern humans? Is it really significant? I'm having trouble finding anything that makes it clear.
nobodyandproud 5mo ago
I kind of agree. Though the old, brutish yet stupid was also likely wrong and more for self-comfort as a species. Tangent and thought experiment: If we could re-engineer a viable population of neanderthals, should we? If we further gave them the full gamut of modern knowledge and tools, and even a nation-state suitable for them what would be the outcome?

by junofan 5mo ago

dismalaf 5mo ago

> TFA and our inferred history with them that they were terrifying apex predators All humans are. Neanderthals, Sapiens, modern humans, we are all apex predators. > occasionally raped human women The article doesn't suggest that. While it's plausible, there's also evidence of Sapien/Neanderthal cooperation and mingling: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260412071005.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260412071005.h... And lets not forget that all hominins fight amongst themselves, rape each other, etc... The assumption that Neanderthals were particularly brutish is just that, an assumption.

card_zero 5mo ago
There is however a suggestion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal#Interbreeding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal#Interbreeding > According to Svante Pääbo, it is not clear that modern humans were socially dominant over Neanderthals, which may explain why the interbreeding occurred primarily between Neanderthal males and modern human females. Unless read as suggesting "Neanderthal males were hugely charismatic"?
- pegasus 5mo ago
  ...or "Neanderthal males were huge, thus charismatic" :)
- dismalaf 5mo ago
  In current-day interracial dating dynamics there are preferred race and gender combos and this is shown through lots of statistics. The answer isn't necessarily rape...

opan 5mo ago

Are there any good illustrations showing how much bigger their eyes were compared to modern humans? Is it really significant? I'm having trouble finding anything that makes it clear.

nobodyandproud 5mo ago

I kind of agree. Though the old, brutish yet stupid was also likely wrong and more for self-comfort as a species. Tangent and thought experiment: If we could re-engineer a viable population of neanderthals, should we? If we further gave them the full gamut of modern knowledge and tools, and even a nation-state suitable for them what would be the outcome?