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> Human Rights Foundation ... “AI for Individual Rights” program That sounds quite dodgy. Ladybird doesn't have AI, why would such a program support its develo

> Human Rights Foundation ... “AI for Individual Rights” program That sounds quite dodgy. Ladybird doesn't have AI, why would such a program support its development? But even before that: "Human Rights Foundation" sounds like "The Human League" which George makes up in Seinfeld as a fake charity. And promoting AI as a "human right" is quite suspicious. If I had to, I might be that this is something backed by one of the corporations burning through Billions of dollars and Gigawatt-hours on LLMs. Looking at their annual report summaries and their huge staff, my guess slants a bit towards either bodies like the CIA or some ideologically-motivated billionaires (e.g. talk about the "dictator Maduro", focus on Iran etc.)

technothrasher 6mo ago
> "The Human League" which George makes up in Seinfeld as a fake charity It was actually The Human Fund. The Human League is an English pop band, most successful in the 1980s with their hit single "Don't You Want Me".
NicuCalcea 6mo ago
There's quite a big difference between "AI for individual rights" and "AI as a human right".
vondur 6mo ago
Ha I immediately thought of the Human Fund from Seinfeld. Their fake slogan “money for humans”
radlad 6mo ago
If you're interested in the program, you can find more details here: https://hrf.org/program/ai-for-individual-rights/ai-for-individual-rights-fund/ https://hrf.org/program/ai-for-individual-rights/ai-for-indi... They offer grants for "Using AI tools and platforms to more efficiently build movements and resist oppression" in addition to many other things.
jordand 6mo ago
Ladybird has a close relationship with FUTO which is a pretty oddly behaved private for-profit company ran by a bored multi-millionaire. https://drewdevault.com/blog/Whats-up-with-FUTO/ https://drewdevault.com/blog/Whats-up-with-FUTO/
- notenlish 6mo ago
  Didn't realize FUTO was connected to Eron Wolf, which connects to Curtis Yarvin, which connects to Palantir. Great...
  - sethops1 6mo ago
    What, do you sincerely believe Palantir is pulling the strings behind Ladybird? What is the accusation here? Everybody can be "connected" in some way or another, but it's meaningless.
    - SoKamil 6mo ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation 4 steps is not so bad
    - chipotle_coyote 6mo ago
      I think it's more a concern about the company one keeps; Ladybird's Andreas Kling has certainly ruffled feathers over the past couple of years by doubling down on anti-inclusionary language takes ("I'm not against gender neutral language, I'm just not going to allow it in my project") and supporting DHH's most douchebaggiest takes. I understand that not everybody cares about this sort of thing, believing that politics of developers should be irrelevant; I'm personally not going to go around ringing the shame bell at people who use Ladybird (or Rails. But Kling loudly shouting "I support the free speech rights of fascists but get away from me with that DEI shit" doesn't give me warm fuzzies about using Ladybird, either. It's a lot easier to let politics of developers be irrelevant if the developers aren't out there energetically sharing them.
    - notenlish 6mo ago
snvzz 6mo ago
From the FAQ in the ladybird front page. >All sponsorships are in the form of unrestricted donations. Board seats and other forms of influence are not for sale. i.e. donations explicitly do not buy any say in the project.
mold_aid 6mo ago
It is. Ex-FIRE guy's idea. Avoiding Ladybird like the plague, personally.
Barbing 6mo ago
>But even before that: "Human Rights Foundation" sounds like a household name (the HRF), to me Here’s the CIA billionaire running it (I kid!) but ya HRF’s president: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Halvorssen_(human_rights_activist) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Halvorssen_(human_rights_... Unlikely to be USA govt if they’ve defocused soft power activities eh?

technothrasher 6mo ago

> "The Human League" which George makes up in Seinfeld as a fake charity It was actually The Human Fund. The Human League is an English pop band, most successful in the 1980s with their hit single "Don't You Want Me".

NicuCalcea 6mo ago

There's quite a big difference between "AI for individual rights" and "AI as a human right".

vondur 6mo ago

Ha I immediately thought of the Human Fund from Seinfeld. Their fake slogan “money for humans”

radlad 6mo ago

If you're interested in the program, you can find more details here: https://hrf.org/program/ai-for-individual-rights/ai-for-individual-rights-fund/ https://hrf.org/program/ai-for-individual-rights/ai-for-indi... They offer grants for "Using AI tools and platforms to more efficiently build movements and resist oppression" in addition to many other things.

jordand 6mo ago

Ladybird has a close relationship with FUTO which is a pretty oddly behaved private for-profit company ran by a bored multi-millionaire. https://drewdevault.com/blog/Whats-up-with-FUTO/ https://drewdevault.com/blog/Whats-up-with-FUTO/

notenlish 6mo ago
Didn't realize FUTO was connected to Eron Wolf, which connects to Curtis Yarvin, which connects to Palantir. Great...
- sethops1 6mo ago
  What, do you sincerely believe Palantir is pulling the strings behind Ladybird? What is the accusation here? Everybody can be "connected" in some way or another, but it's meaningless.
  - SoKamil 6mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation 4 steps is not so bad
  - chipotle_coyote 6mo ago
    I think it's more a concern about the company one keeps; Ladybird's Andreas Kling has certainly ruffled feathers over the past couple of years by doubling down on anti-inclusionary language takes ("I'm not against gender neutral language, I'm just not going to allow it in my project") and supporting DHH's most douchebaggiest takes. I understand that not everybody cares about this sort of thing, believing that politics of developers should be irrelevant; I'm personally not going to go around ringing the shame bell at people who use Ladybird (or Rails. But Kling loudly shouting "I support the free speech rights of fascists but get away from me with that DEI shit" doesn't give me warm fuzzies about using Ladybird, either. It's a lot easier to let politics of developers be irrelevant if the developers aren't out there energetically sharing them.
  - notenlish 6mo ago

snvzz 6mo ago

From the FAQ in the ladybird front page. >All sponsorships are in the form of unrestricted donations. Board seats and other forms of influence are not for sale. i.e. donations explicitly do not buy any say in the project.

mold_aid 6mo ago

It is. Ex-FIRE guy's idea. Avoiding Ladybird like the plague, personally.

Barbing 6mo ago

>But even before that: "Human Rights Foundation" sounds like a household name (the HRF), to me Here’s the CIA billionaire running it (I kid!) but ya HRF’s president: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Halvorssen_(human_rights_activist) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor_Halvorssen_(human_rights_... Unlikely to be USA govt if they’ve defocused soft power activities eh?