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And on the flip side, Iran could choose not to pursue a nuke and violate the NPT. Hamas could choose not to kill 800-some civilians and take 250 hostages, etc.

gzread 6mo ago
why would Iran not make a nuke when America keeps bombing countries that don't have nukes, and avoids bombing countries that have nukes (most notably North Korea)? They have all the incentives to have a nuke so they'll stop getting bombed. Obama negotiated to avoid this but Trump ripped it up and bombed them, so they're definitely not going to trust any agreements with the west ever again. From their perspective, their only path to not getting bombed to shit involves having several nukes. It's quite rational for them to do that.
Sardtok 6mo ago
That nuke they are apparently working has been just around the corner for over 30 years according to Israeli propaganda.
colechristensen 6mo ago
Certainly, I was only talking about one side of the conflict, the errors in our own house.
darkwater 6mo ago
> And on the flip side, Iran could choose not to pursue a nuke and violate the NPT. Because MAD is the only way to scare away the world's bully.
ogogmad 6mo ago
Iran has said that it's working on nuclear energy, not a bomb. Their pope-level religious leader said it was haram to have nuclear weapons. I know you can't necessarily trust Iran's word, but can you trust Israel's?
- colechristensen 6mo ago
  There is ZERO serious questioning that Iran was working on developing nuclear weapons. It is abundantly clear that they were. How actively and to what extent in recent years is a matter of some debate but in general they absolutely have had a serious weapons program.
  - Paradigm2020 6mo ago
    I'd be very interested in the sources for your ZERO ?
    - Paradigm2020 5mo ago
      Hello ?
  - CamperBob2 6mo ago
    Gee. Now why in the world would they have wanted to do a thing like that?
  - somenameforme 6mo ago
    Netanyahu has been claiming that Iran will have a nuke within a few years, for more than 30 years, and seeking to use that as a justification to invade them. If Iran wanted to make a nuke in this time frame they would have. The only thing that changed now is that he found a big enough idiot to believe him. Though now that the US and Israel have invaded them, I do expect they will develop a nuclear weapon, because it seems to be the only way for a nation to ensure its security in modern times.
    - colechristensen 6mo ago
      Actually having an assembled weapon is a red line and significant threat. Having almost-a-bomb like an IKEA Billy shelf still unassembled in its box in the garage is what they wanted. The threat of being able to have a bomb. There have been several instances over the decades of the west finding and blowing up their prepared materials and facilities in order to try to make the runway longer. By the way this is also most likely where Japan is. Japan is also a NPT signatory and they also very likely have an almost-bomb. That is in secret they very likely have the research, the designs, the industrial capacity for the final enrichment, and almost weapons grade enriched stockpiles. They don't want to have to cross the line into the territory of actually constructing a bomb or announcing it publicly, but they want the potential and for their adversaries to know that they could do it in short order without giving them enough of a provocation to actually be called out. In other words "I'm not touching you!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgXDYiHhp5Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgXDYiHhp5Y

gzread 6mo ago

why would Iran not make a nuke when America keeps bombing countries that don't have nukes, and avoids bombing countries that have nukes (most notably North Korea)? They have all the incentives to have a nuke so they'll stop getting bombed. Obama negotiated to avoid this but Trump ripped it up and bombed them, so they're definitely not going to trust any agreements with the west ever again. From their perspective, their only path to not getting bombed to shit involves having several nukes. It's quite rational for them to do that.

Sardtok 6mo ago

That nuke they are apparently working has been just around the corner for over 30 years according to Israeli propaganda.

colechristensen 6mo ago

Certainly, I was only talking about one side of the conflict, the errors in our own house.

darkwater 6mo ago

> And on the flip side, Iran could choose not to pursue a nuke and violate the NPT. Because MAD is the only way to scare away the world's bully.

ogogmad 6mo ago

Iran has said that it's working on nuclear energy, not a bomb. Their pope-level religious leader said it was haram to have nuclear weapons. I know you can't necessarily trust Iran's word, but can you trust Israel's?

colechristensen 6mo ago
There is ZERO serious questioning that Iran was working on developing nuclear weapons. It is abundantly clear that they were. How actively and to what extent in recent years is a matter of some debate but in general they absolutely have had a serious weapons program.
- Paradigm2020 6mo ago
  I'd be very interested in the sources for your ZERO ?
  - Paradigm2020 5mo ago
    Hello ?
- CamperBob2 6mo ago
  Gee. Now why in the world would they have wanted to do a thing like that?
- somenameforme 6mo ago
  Netanyahu has been claiming that Iran will have a nuke within a few years, for more than 30 years, and seeking to use that as a justification to invade them. If Iran wanted to make a nuke in this time frame they would have. The only thing that changed now is that he found a big enough idiot to believe him. Though now that the US and Israel have invaded them, I do expect they will develop a nuclear weapon, because it seems to be the only way for a nation to ensure its security in modern times.
  - colechristensen 6mo ago
    Actually having an assembled weapon is a red line and significant threat. Having almost-a-bomb like an IKEA Billy shelf still unassembled in its box in the garage is what they wanted. The threat of being able to have a bomb. There have been several instances over the decades of the west finding and blowing up their prepared materials and facilities in order to try to make the runway longer. By the way this is also most likely where Japan is. Japan is also a NPT signatory and they also very likely have an almost-bomb. That is in secret they very likely have the research, the designs, the industrial capacity for the final enrichment, and almost weapons grade enriched stockpiles. They don't want to have to cross the line into the territory of actually constructing a bomb or announcing it publicly, but they want the potential and for their adversaries to know that they could do it in short order without giving them enough of a provocation to actually be called out. In other words "I'm not touching you!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgXDYiHhp5Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgXDYiHhp5Y