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There’s no “becoming” It’s here and it’s been here for decades - it’s just finally impossible to ignore or wave away Gig workers are self-chattelizing because

There’s no “becoming” It’s here and it’s been here for decades - it’s just finally impossible to ignore or wave away Gig workers are self-chattelizing because there is no floor to the depravity that society will accept, and an endless supply of people who will chattelize themselves for a moment of pleasure

Avicebron 6mo ago
It's more productive to discuss and bring to light the floor's underwriters than it is to blame gig workers for "chattel-izing themselves for a moment of pleasure".
JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
> for a moment of pleasure The pleasure of being an Uber driver? Wouldn’t the better analogy be survival for most gig workers?
- AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
  The majority of people have absolutely no foundational belief for their actions it is simply how do I get more money sex property attention etc… There are no monks door dashing
  - chimpanzee 6mo ago
    Are you serious? So when I drive Uber to pay rent and feed myself, it is actually because I want sex and attention? Might want to remove the "Wizard" from your bio, it'd be far more accurate.
    - AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
      Yes that is correct people want to get money so that they can have an “enjoyable life” very few indeed dedicate themselves to a virtue or an ethics above pleasure “enjoyable life” as defined through pretty much the entirety of written human history consists of sex and play So yes humanity is demonstrably composed of egoist consuming hedonists
      - JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
        > So yes humanity is demonstrably composed of egoist consuming hedonists Okay. How does this advance the discussion? Obviously then that means opposing that means being anti-human.
        chimpanzee 6mo ago
        There's no advancement of the discussion to be had. If I may play his game: He writes to boost his own ego. By way of making his claim, he seeks to appear wise and wizardly, for who else but he could have made such an astute observation and present it with such confidence; it must certainly be true and he must certainly be better than us. And who would make such a claim, but the one who is pure enough to see through the muck and see the truth of the claim? He must not be one of the egoist consuming hedonists! He must be outside of them to have seen them! Or not, perhaps he is one of these egoists and he knows it, and will happily admit it. And by doing so, he will raise himself up even further. For he knows his faults and he is not ashamed to have us know them too. We shall soon see. In the end, he will soon have more sex. (He already got the attention.)
        enejje 6mo ago
        He’s a weirdo who’s literally a nobody in real life. He needs a reality check. So does that crisscross dude tbf. Comical to read the bluster in their posts. Like who are you? You’re literally no less common than the rest of us.
        AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
        It’s necessary to recognize the limitations of the individual’s and the system they comprise If it is required to take action in the world as a person or anything that has the capability to do things then by function there is energy required to take action If the actions of that population are detrimental to the global population, because local measurement of global externalities is ignored, then you have a population that is self-destructive simply because it cannot communicate or coordinate across all of the places that’s having impacts The systems you currently live in are antihuman…yet entirely composed of humans acting for their own individual gain without the capability of considering the collective whole Is it anti-human to suggest that existential threat that stems from a total failure of the biological organism to coordinate at the scale that it’s individual impacts have ? Is it antihuman to claim that the population does not have the capability of being able to counter its own accelerating self-destructive behavior?
  - ninjagoo 6mo ago
    > The majority of people have absolutely no foundational belief for their actions The majority of people have absolutely no choice for their actions FTFY Especially given that for an increasing number of folks the alternative to doing what you're told is starvation (food insecurity), homelessness, and death (from lack of healthcare).
    - JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
      > majority of people have absolutely no choice for their actions The poorest Americans remain among the richest people in the world and across human history. Many people don't have material choices. Almost every American does.
    - AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
      If you can take even one action, you still have a choice The fact of Harriet Tubman disproves your claim
chimpanzee 6mo ago
> an endless supply of people who will chattelize themselves for a moment of pleasure Or perhaps they "chattelize" to survive? There's not much pleasure to be had from gig work apart from the freedom to perhaps choose your own hours and perhaps be free of a human boss. Both of which are quite the opposite of chattelizing, in the short term.
- AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
  Define survival first and we can have a conversation They have birthday parties and loving embraces in deprived ghettos that have community solidarity The most beautiful human interactions I’ve ever seen are in the absolute most deprived poor places including when I was working in the fucking Balad hospital in 2010 Virtue does not come from work
  - chimpanzee 6mo ago
    I won't debate the definition of survival with a "tired old" developer (oh sorry, "founder") who's idea of virtue is summed up in their own quote regarding creating yet another app for the Apple/Google chattel system: "I rarely get to see my kids. That's a risk you have to take."
    - AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
      Oh this is so great! I’ve been waiting for someone to pull that one out as a gotcha… But hey good for you for doing a bunch of searching about me personally (because I intentionally use my name so that people can do precisely what you’re doing) which indicates that I have triggered you to the extent where you’ve taken time out of your day to go and look me up personally
      - chimpanzee 6mo ago
        I have ADHD so me searching the internet is like breathing. Nothing special. And your quote, inflammatory marketing slop that it is, is top and center in the images after searching your name once. "A bunch of searching" is not required. There's not much out there about you that requires digging into, just the usual founders' must-haves (crunchbase profile, paid write-ups, personal blog etc). Nothing special there either. But please do enjoy the extra attention from me. Because that is special. To me.

Avicebron 6mo ago

It's more productive to discuss and bring to light the floor's underwriters than it is to blame gig workers for "chattel-izing themselves for a moment of pleasure".

JumpCrisscross 6mo ago

> for a moment of pleasure The pleasure of being an Uber driver? Wouldn’t the better analogy be survival for most gig workers?

AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
The majority of people have absolutely no foundational belief for their actions it is simply how do I get more money sex property attention etc… There are no monks door dashing
- chimpanzee 6mo ago
  Are you serious? So when I drive Uber to pay rent and feed myself, it is actually because I want sex and attention? Might want to remove the "Wizard" from your bio, it'd be far more accurate.
  - AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
    Yes that is correct people want to get money so that they can have an “enjoyable life” very few indeed dedicate themselves to a virtue or an ethics above pleasure “enjoyable life” as defined through pretty much the entirety of written human history consists of sex and play So yes humanity is demonstrably composed of egoist consuming hedonists
    - JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
      > So yes humanity is demonstrably composed of egoist consuming hedonists Okay. How does this advance the discussion? Obviously then that means opposing that means being anti-human.
      - chimpanzee 6mo ago
        There's no advancement of the discussion to be had. If I may play his game: He writes to boost his own ego. By way of making his claim, he seeks to appear wise and wizardly, for who else but he could have made such an astute observation and present it with such confidence; it must certainly be true and he must certainly be better than us. And who would make such a claim, but the one who is pure enough to see through the muck and see the truth of the claim? He must not be one of the egoist consuming hedonists! He must be outside of them to have seen them! Or not, perhaps he is one of these egoists and he knows it, and will happily admit it. And by doing so, he will raise himself up even further. For he knows his faults and he is not ashamed to have us know them too. We shall soon see. In the end, he will soon have more sex. (He already got the attention.)
        enejje 6mo ago
        He’s a weirdo who’s literally a nobody in real life. He needs a reality check. So does that crisscross dude tbf. Comical to read the bluster in their posts. Like who are you? You’re literally no less common than the rest of us.
      - AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
        It’s necessary to recognize the limitations of the individual’s and the system they comprise If it is required to take action in the world as a person or anything that has the capability to do things then by function there is energy required to take action If the actions of that population are detrimental to the global population, because local measurement of global externalities is ignored, then you have a population that is self-destructive simply because it cannot communicate or coordinate across all of the places that’s having impacts The systems you currently live in are antihuman…yet entirely composed of humans acting for their own individual gain without the capability of considering the collective whole Is it anti-human to suggest that existential threat that stems from a total failure of the biological organism to coordinate at the scale that it’s individual impacts have ? Is it antihuman to claim that the population does not have the capability of being able to counter its own accelerating self-destructive behavior?
- ninjagoo 6mo ago
  > The majority of people have absolutely no foundational belief for their actions The majority of people have absolutely no choice for their actions FTFY Especially given that for an increasing number of folks the alternative to doing what you're told is starvation (food insecurity), homelessness, and death (from lack of healthcare).
  - JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
    > majority of people have absolutely no choice for their actions The poorest Americans remain among the richest people in the world and across human history. Many people don't have material choices. Almost every American does.
  - AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
    If you can take even one action, you still have a choice The fact of Harriet Tubman disproves your claim

chimpanzee 6mo ago

> an endless supply of people who will chattelize themselves for a moment of pleasure Or perhaps they "chattelize" to survive? There's not much pleasure to be had from gig work apart from the freedom to perhaps choose your own hours and perhaps be free of a human boss. Both of which are quite the opposite of chattelizing, in the short term.

AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
Define survival first and we can have a conversation They have birthday parties and loving embraces in deprived ghettos that have community solidarity The most beautiful human interactions I’ve ever seen are in the absolute most deprived poor places including when I was working in the fucking Balad hospital in 2010 Virtue does not come from work
- chimpanzee 6mo ago
  I won't debate the definition of survival with a "tired old" developer (oh sorry, "founder") who's idea of virtue is summed up in their own quote regarding creating yet another app for the Apple/Google chattel system: "I rarely get to see my kids. That's a risk you have to take."
  - AndrewKemendo 6mo ago
    Oh this is so great! I’ve been waiting for someone to pull that one out as a gotcha… But hey good for you for doing a bunch of searching about me personally (because I intentionally use my name so that people can do precisely what you’re doing) which indicates that I have triggered you to the extent where you’ve taken time out of your day to go and look me up personally
    - chimpanzee 6mo ago
      I have ADHD so me searching the internet is like breathing. Nothing special. And your quote, inflammatory marketing slop that it is, is top and center in the images after searching your name once. "A bunch of searching" is not required. There's not much out there about you that requires digging into, just the usual founders' must-haves (crunchbase profile, paid write-ups, personal blog etc). Nothing special there either. But please do enjoy the extra attention from me. Because that is special. To me.