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I don't doubt this happens, but given all the wolf crying about clandestine Russian operations, it's hard to assess what the scale and influence of these are. E

I don't doubt this happens, but given all the wolf crying about clandestine Russian operations, it's hard to assess what the scale and influence of these are. Especially as this is based on an analysis by Atlantic Council, which is essentially a NATO think tank. This will probably read to many as me being a useful idiot for Putin or something. And maybe I am, hard to say definitely.

jeffbee 6mo ago
Give some examples of prominent wolf-crying that wasn't eventually substantiated.
- jampekka 6mo ago
  Some major ones that come to mind: - Russia blowing up Nordstream - "Havana syndrome" - The Steele dossier
  - jeffbee 6mo ago
    OK, those are interesting choices that are outside of the realm of stuff that I was thinking about. What I was thinking about is that the Russians have been working the American people via the media for decades.
- pessimizer 6mo ago
  What public state speculation about Russian interference in anything ever was substantiated? As far as I can tell, nothing that has been said about Russian intelligence operations in the West (over the past decade or so) has ever been substantiated. That's why everybody started blaming every single problem or disagreement in the West on Russia, because you wouldn't be asked to or expected to be able to substantiate it. I've been called Russian or Chinese more times since 2015 than I've ever been called anything else other than my name. I was usually called that by people when I was denying something that those same people now say nobody ever really believed or insisted was true.
  - jeffbee 6mo ago
    > What public state speculation about Russian interference in anything ever was substantiated? Tenet Media
  - the_why_of_y 6mo ago
    > What public state speculation about Russian interference in anything ever was substantiated? Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/dl https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/dl
- Pay08 6mo ago
  Immigrants eating dogs? If you think about it, most wolf-crying is completely unsubstantiated.
BirAdam 6mo ago
Most people lack principles and act purely emotionally. It is wicked and evil and vile if Russia does something because it is Russia doing it. It is good and right and true if “Western” powers do a thing because it is Western powers doing it. To a principled observer, they’re all evil regardless of which country is doing the thing.

jeffbee 6mo ago

Give some examples of prominent wolf-crying that wasn't eventually substantiated.

jampekka 6mo ago
Some major ones that come to mind: - Russia blowing up Nordstream - "Havana syndrome" - The Steele dossier
- jeffbee 6mo ago
  OK, those are interesting choices that are outside of the realm of stuff that I was thinking about. What I was thinking about is that the Russians have been working the American people via the media for decades.
pessimizer 6mo ago
What public state speculation about Russian interference in anything ever was substantiated? As far as I can tell, nothing that has been said about Russian intelligence operations in the West (over the past decade or so) has ever been substantiated. That's why everybody started blaming every single problem or disagreement in the West on Russia, because you wouldn't be asked to or expected to be able to substantiate it. I've been called Russian or Chinese more times since 2015 than I've ever been called anything else other than my name. I was usually called that by people when I was denying something that those same people now say nobody ever really believed or insisted was true.
- jeffbee 6mo ago
  > What public state speculation about Russian interference in anything ever was substantiated? Tenet Media
- the_why_of_y 6mo ago
  > What public state speculation about Russian interference in anything ever was substantiated? Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/dl https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/dl
Pay08 6mo ago
Immigrants eating dogs? If you think about it, most wolf-crying is completely unsubstantiated.

BirAdam 6mo ago

Most people lack principles and act purely emotionally. It is wicked and evil and vile if Russia does something because it is Russia doing it. It is good and right and true if “Western” powers do a thing because it is Western powers doing it. To a principled observer, they’re all evil regardless of which country is doing the thing.