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It's almost like both imperialist powers could be problematic and awful and we don't have to pick a side or excuse the actions of the one because the other does

It's almost like both imperialist powers could be problematic and awful and we don't have to pick a side or excuse the actions of the one because the other does the same.

kelipso 6mo ago
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- cmrdporcupine 6mo ago
  I mean that's clearly not the case. I'm swimming in anti-imperialist anti-US content. That it doesn't lead to mass action and the end of the current state of the American regime is a domestic American population problem, not a missing information problem. There is no poverty of information. The fact of the matter is a powerful section of the US population benefits from the current situation.
  - kelipso 6mo ago
    There is no poverty of information depending on your news bubble.
    - shevy-java 6mo ago
      Everything is a news bubble though. People incur bias from anywhere. Wikipedia just, in general, has less spin usually than some private media outlet.
  - jzb 6mo ago
    “There is no poverty of information.” Quite the opposite, in fact. But there’s a difference between the information being present somewhere, and a reasonable way to get that information in front of people in an actionable form. We’re drowning in “information,” at present. But the mass media narratives that are most readily available distort things quite a bit for a lot of reasons. (Ratings, owner bias/interference, format.)
  - Pay08 6mo ago
    See, from my perspective, that is exactly the problem. The people pushing said "anti-imperialist, anti-US" content are often the same people that defend Putin's invasion of Ukraine. The reality however, is that these are niche bubbles empowered by the internet. Once we realise how harmful they are, they'll be moderated or cut off.
shevy-java 6mo ago
In general imperalism is annoying to no ends. Smaller countries get abused. I think this is not really connected to Wikipedia. Wikipedia has a quality-control problem; even if all state-actors were not to try to ruin Wikipedia, that quality-control issue would still persist. Wikipedia needs to improve its intrinsic quality. Instead what it seems to do as of late, is make pointless UI changes. I hate this "you can hide the toolkit here" - that simply should not be on by default. I only want the content as-is, not side bars with useless things I am never going to use anyway.
- drysine 6mo ago
  >In general imperalism is annoying to no ends. Smaller countries get abused. And in turn abuse even smaller nations like Georgia abused South Ossetia and Abkhazia. And these tiny nations abused their Georgian minorities
ascorbic 6mo ago
It's possible for both to be bad and yet one to be worse

It's almost like both imperialist powers could be problematic and awful and we don't have to pick a side or excuse the actions of the one because the other does the same.

kelipso 6mo ago

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cmrdporcupine 6mo ago
I mean that's clearly not the case. I'm swimming in anti-imperialist anti-US content. That it doesn't lead to mass action and the end of the current state of the American regime is a domestic American population problem, not a missing information problem. There is no poverty of information. The fact of the matter is a powerful section of the US population benefits from the current situation.
- kelipso 6mo ago
  There is no poverty of information depending on your news bubble.
  - shevy-java 6mo ago
    Everything is a news bubble though. People incur bias from anywhere. Wikipedia just, in general, has less spin usually than some private media outlet.
- jzb 6mo ago
  “There is no poverty of information.” Quite the opposite, in fact. But there’s a difference between the information being present somewhere, and a reasonable way to get that information in front of people in an actionable form. We’re drowning in “information,” at present. But the mass media narratives that are most readily available distort things quite a bit for a lot of reasons. (Ratings, owner bias/interference, format.)
- Pay08 6mo ago
  See, from my perspective, that is exactly the problem. The people pushing said "anti-imperialist, anti-US" content are often the same people that defend Putin's invasion of Ukraine. The reality however, is that these are niche bubbles empowered by the internet. Once we realise how harmful they are, they'll be moderated or cut off.

shevy-java 6mo ago

In general imperalism is annoying to no ends. Smaller countries get abused. I think this is not really connected to Wikipedia. Wikipedia has a quality-control problem; even if all state-actors were not to try to ruin Wikipedia, that quality-control issue would still persist. Wikipedia needs to improve its intrinsic quality. Instead what it seems to do as of late, is make pointless UI changes. I hate this "you can hide the toolkit here" - that simply should not be on by default. I only want the content as-is, not side bars with useless things I am never going to use anyway.

drysine 6mo ago
>In general imperalism is annoying to no ends. Smaller countries get abused. And in turn abuse even smaller nations like Georgia abused South Ossetia and Abkhazia. And these tiny nations abused their Georgian minorities

ascorbic 6mo ago

It's possible for both to be bad and yet one to be worse