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>Because you're POSTing them to a server? How does that change anything? The HTTP protocol is just how I communicate with the program, just like how the USB pr

>Because you're POSTing them to a server? How does that change anything? The HTTP protocol is just how I communicate with the program, just like how the USB protocol is how I communicate with the word processor. The dividing line is when the message crosses computer boundaries? Then it should also be illegal to write "I am an FBI agent" in a text file and upload it to Github. >The same way you can't type everything into Google. Who says you can't, physically or legally? Maybe Google will refuse to fulfill some search requests, but that's a different matter from it being illegal.

trhway 6mo ago
>Then it should also be illegal to write "I am an FBI agent" in a text file and upload it to Github. i think it may affect how people would communicate with you there. And based on that it would seem like impersonation, wouldn't it?
- fluoridation 6mo ago
  May it? untitled.txt with the content "I am an FBI agent" and no further context could lead a human to think the author is stating they are an FBI agent? Okay, sure. Then let's go a step further. The repository is private and you never share it with anyone. At that point, the sentence is just as visible as when you type it into Google's search box or into a chatbot's window. Is that impersonation too?
  - trhway 6mo ago
    If Google provides you with different search results, some results that are intended for law enforcement only... Granted, extremely bad security, yet that argument didn't prevent say credit card fraud convictions.
    - fluoridation 6mo ago
      Does it? I thought we were talking about the actual state of things, not about how they could conceivably be.
bloppe 6mo ago
Intention is very relevant to legal interpretations of "unauthorized access"; both the intentions of the owner, and the intentions of the "intruder". See for example United States v. Auernheimer. There's relatively well-established precedent that when a service tries to safeguard some information, that information is legally protected no matter how technically feeble the attempt at safeguarding it was.
- fluoridation 6mo ago
  That would make all LLM jailbreaking illegal, not specifically the FBI one.
  - bloppe 6mo ago
    It's not specifically tested in court and I sorta doubt OAI would start suing random users for attempting jailbreaks, but if they did, I wouldn't be surprised if they could win based on the most relevant precedents

trhway 6mo ago

>Then it should also be illegal to write "I am an FBI agent" in a text file and upload it to Github. i think it may affect how people would communicate with you there. And based on that it would seem like impersonation, wouldn't it?

fluoridation 6mo ago
May it? untitled.txt with the content "I am an FBI agent" and no further context could lead a human to think the author is stating they are an FBI agent? Okay, sure. Then let's go a step further. The repository is private and you never share it with anyone. At that point, the sentence is just as visible as when you type it into Google's search box or into a chatbot's window. Is that impersonation too?
- trhway 6mo ago
  If Google provides you with different search results, some results that are intended for law enforcement only... Granted, extremely bad security, yet that argument didn't prevent say credit card fraud convictions.
  - fluoridation 6mo ago
    Does it? I thought we were talking about the actual state of things, not about how they could conceivably be.

bloppe 6mo ago

Intention is very relevant to legal interpretations of "unauthorized access"; both the intentions of the owner, and the intentions of the "intruder". See for example United States v. Auernheimer. There's relatively well-established precedent that when a service tries to safeguard some information, that information is legally protected no matter how technically feeble the attempt at safeguarding it was.

fluoridation 6mo ago
That would make all LLM jailbreaking illegal, not specifically the FBI one.
- bloppe 6mo ago
  It's not specifically tested in court and I sorta doubt OAI would start suing random users for attempting jailbreaks, but if they did, I wouldn't be surprised if they could win based on the most relevant precedents