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> I just can't figure how _how_ to burn that much money a month responsibly. Same but in regards to quotas. I'm on the 200 EUR ChatGPT plan, so presumable have

> I just can't figure how _how_ to burn that much money a month responsibly. Same but in regards to quotas. I'm on the 200 EUR ChatGPT plan, so presumable have the highest quota, using the "most expensive" models, on highest reasoning, in fast-mode (1.5x quota usage) and after a full day of almost exclusively doing programming with agents, I still get nowhere close to hitting my quota. In fact, since I started using agents for coding, the only time I even got close, was when I was doing cross-platform development with the same as above, but on three computers at the same time, then I almost hit my weekly quota. But normally, I get down to ~20% of the quota but almost never below that. I don't see how I could either, I'm already doing lots of prompts and queries "for fun" basically.

dwedge 6mo ago
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jackdoe 6mo ago
I am running a bunch of autoresearch loops that optimize various compilers and its pretty easy to burn through as much money as you want if you have a measurable goal and good tests.
- gessha 6mo ago
  > if you have a measurable goal and good tests. you can burn through the money even easier if you don’t have them
- embedding-shape 6mo ago
  > have a measurable goal and good tests I have both of those, yet seemingly I guess I'm not setting my goal in such a way that it supports "endless inference" like that. My goals have eventually ends, and that's when I move on. Optimization sure sounds like something you can throw away a good amount of tokens/quotas on, so yeah.
adi_kurian 6mo ago
Codex quota is suspiciously high right now. Either way, the subscription plans are not sustainable, and perhaps less relevant to any discussion about corporate API use. The prosumer developer plans are an insane deal. It is a golden age right now and it will end. If you tried to use the APIs to achieve the same thing, you would be spending thousands upon thousands of dollars a month. My completely unfounded conjecture is that OpenAI is trying to grab developers back from Claude by burning $$$$.
- embedding-shape 6mo ago
  > If you tried to use the APIs to achieve the same thing, you would be spending thousands upon thousands of dollars a month. Yeah, obviously, not sure why anyone would be using APIs at this point, seems bananas to spend more than 10 EUR per day when these "almost-endless" subscriptions exists. > My completely unfounded conjecture is that OpenAI is trying to grab developers back from Claude by burning $$$$. Unlikely, since codex TUI was launched OpenAI pretty much had every developers pocket already as the agent is miles and leagues ahead of Claude Code, pretty much from inception. No other provider comes close to ChatGPT's Pro Mode either, I don't even think it's a quota/pricing thing, have the best models and people will flock by themselves.
  - fragmede 6mo ago
    > miles and leagues ahead of Claude Code, pretty much from inception. Can codex run background tasks yet? CC's ability to run a process in the background and monitor its output for errors while another process access that first process, is probably what got cc so popular for web development over codex to start with.
    - beering 6mo ago
      Yes, codex has had this ability for a while.
    - adi_kurian 6mo ago
      Codex is pretty awesome rn IMO.
Aurornis 6mo ago
> Same but in regards to quotas. I'm on the 200 EUR ChatGPT plan, The API rates and monthly plan rates are not the same. If you're using enough to justify the 200EUR plan (instead of the 100EUR plan), your use might actually be as high as some of the API bills discussed above.
jampekka 6mo ago
I have to churn to get to my ChatGPT Plus $20 plan limits with gpt-5.5 xhigh. Starts to feel like I'm doing something wrong.
adastra22 6mo ago
There are tools that let you extract out what the API price would be for a subscription plan use. I typically have monthly runs that are on the order of $2k - $4k at API prices, despite paying a mere $200/mo to Anthropic. Edit: Just checked with ccusage and I've been doing about $450/day for the last week. A bit more than usual, but I still haven't come close to weekly limits and never hit the 5hr rate limit.

dwedge 6mo ago

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jackdoe 6mo ago

I am running a bunch of autoresearch loops that optimize various compilers and its pretty easy to burn through as much money as you want if you have a measurable goal and good tests.

gessha 6mo ago
> if you have a measurable goal and good tests. you can burn through the money even easier if you don’t have them
embedding-shape 6mo ago
> have a measurable goal and good tests I have both of those, yet seemingly I guess I'm not setting my goal in such a way that it supports "endless inference" like that. My goals have eventually ends, and that's when I move on. Optimization sure sounds like something you can throw away a good amount of tokens/quotas on, so yeah.

adi_kurian 6mo ago

Codex quota is suspiciously high right now. Either way, the subscription plans are not sustainable, and perhaps less relevant to any discussion about corporate API use. The prosumer developer plans are an insane deal. It is a golden age right now and it will end. If you tried to use the APIs to achieve the same thing, you would be spending thousands upon thousands of dollars a month. My completely unfounded conjecture is that OpenAI is trying to grab developers back from Claude by burning $$$$.

embedding-shape 6mo ago
> If you tried to use the APIs to achieve the same thing, you would be spending thousands upon thousands of dollars a month. Yeah, obviously, not sure why anyone would be using APIs at this point, seems bananas to spend more than 10 EUR per day when these "almost-endless" subscriptions exists. > My completely unfounded conjecture is that OpenAI is trying to grab developers back from Claude by burning $$$$. Unlikely, since codex TUI was launched OpenAI pretty much had every developers pocket already as the agent is miles and leagues ahead of Claude Code, pretty much from inception. No other provider comes close to ChatGPT's Pro Mode either, I don't even think it's a quota/pricing thing, have the best models and people will flock by themselves.
- fragmede 6mo ago
  > miles and leagues ahead of Claude Code, pretty much from inception. Can codex run background tasks yet? CC's ability to run a process in the background and monitor its output for errors while another process access that first process, is probably what got cc so popular for web development over codex to start with.
  - beering 6mo ago
    Yes, codex has had this ability for a while.
  - adi_kurian 6mo ago
    Codex is pretty awesome rn IMO.

Aurornis 6mo ago

> Same but in regards to quotas. I'm on the 200 EUR ChatGPT plan, The API rates and monthly plan rates are not the same. If you're using enough to justify the 200EUR plan (instead of the 100EUR plan), your use might actually be as high as some of the API bills discussed above.

jampekka 6mo ago

I have to churn to get to my ChatGPT Plus $20 plan limits with gpt-5.5 xhigh. Starts to feel like I'm doing something wrong.

adastra22 6mo ago

There are tools that let you extract out what the API price would be for a subscription plan use. I typically have monthly runs that are on the order of $2k - $4k at API prices, despite paying a mere $200/mo to Anthropic. Edit: Just checked with ccusage and I've been doing about $450/day for the last week. A bit more than usual, but I still haven't come close to weekly limits and never hit the 5hr rate limit.