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It's just at the Chinese levels for coding, so right now it's just a money earing thing for investors. I hope the Cursor guys help them catch up to be closer t

It's just at the Chinese levels for coding, so right now it's just a money earing thing for investors. I hope the Cursor guys help them catch up to be closer to frontier models because they badly need help in it.

ai_fry_ur_brain 6mo ago
They all suck.
AntiUSAbah 6mo ago
I hope not. Musk can directly go to hell with his shit. Nonetheless, the 10 Billion and 60 Billion deal with Cursor is weird as hell. I can only imagine that he wants to throw as much money at all of his shit before the IPO. He probably wants the training data
- xiphias2 6mo ago
  Sure, then good like paying twice as much for the next Opus / Codex models. Margins are going up for the 2 frontier model providers like crazy, and I don't expect it to go down more, I think we have seen the cheapest token prices already.
  - AntiUSAbah 6mo ago
    We don't need Musk for this. There is plenty of Chinamodels, Mistral and co.
    - Scroll_Swe 6mo ago
      Mistral is just not as good, saying this as a European, sadly. I support them and would like to see them get better in their models, for chat especially as that is what I use. Dont use any CC, APIs etc. I avoid using and buying Chinese things due to the country. That is my view. They will turn on us too.
    - culi 6mo ago
      Mistral is trash rn but plenty of OSS models are on the Pareto destribution of performance vs price https://arena.ai/leaderboard/code?viewBy=plot https://arena.ai/leaderboard/code?viewBy=plot model ELO price claude-opus-4-7-thinking 1571 $20/M glm-5.1 1534 3.65 kimi-k2.6 1529 3.24 mimo-v2.5-pro 1479 2.50 qwen3.6-plus 1470 1.54 deepseek-v4-pro-thinking 1455 0.76 deepseek-v3.2-thinking 1368 0.35 In fact it seems the pareto distribution is actually all open source Chinese models except for one spot
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bakies 6mo ago
I'm rooting for the china models so I can run it at home. Qwen is getting pretty good for how big it is. Idgaf about this asshole and his mechahitler.
- Levitz 6mo ago
  It's so amusing to see people despising Musk in the same breath that they declare support for a brutally authoritarian government.
  - bakies 5mo ago
    Not supporting, just downloading their model. And it's not a CSAM generator.

ai_fry_ur_brain 6mo ago

They all suck.

AntiUSAbah 6mo ago

I hope not. Musk can directly go to hell with his shit. Nonetheless, the 10 Billion and 60 Billion deal with Cursor is weird as hell. I can only imagine that he wants to throw as much money at all of his shit before the IPO. He probably wants the training data

xiphias2 6mo ago
Sure, then good like paying twice as much for the next Opus / Codex models. Margins are going up for the 2 frontier model providers like crazy, and I don't expect it to go down more, I think we have seen the cheapest token prices already.
- AntiUSAbah 6mo ago
  We don't need Musk for this. There is plenty of Chinamodels, Mistral and co.
  - Scroll_Swe 6mo ago
    Mistral is just not as good, saying this as a European, sadly. I support them and would like to see them get better in their models, for chat especially as that is what I use. Dont use any CC, APIs etc. I avoid using and buying Chinese things due to the country. That is my view. They will turn on us too.
  - culi 6mo ago
    Mistral is trash rn but plenty of OSS models are on the Pareto destribution of performance vs price https://arena.ai/leaderboard/code?viewBy=plot https://arena.ai/leaderboard/code?viewBy=plot model ELO price claude-opus-4-7-thinking 1571 $20/M glm-5.1 1534 3.65 kimi-k2.6 1529 3.24 mimo-v2.5-pro 1479 2.50 qwen3.6-plus 1470 1.54 deepseek-v4-pro-thinking 1455 0.76 deepseek-v3.2-thinking 1368 0.35 In fact it seems the pareto distribution is actually all open source Chinese models except for one spot

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bakies 6mo ago

I'm rooting for the china models so I can run it at home. Qwen is getting pretty good for how big it is. Idgaf about this asshole and his mechahitler.

Levitz 6mo ago
It's so amusing to see people despising Musk in the same breath that they declare support for a brutally authoritarian government.
- bakies 5mo ago
  Not supporting, just downloading their model. And it's not a CSAM generator.