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I have no idea why people still even attempt to believe anything that comes out of Altman's mouth. Do we not learn from the past?

by jwr 6mo ago

apples_oranges 6mo ago
Idk about Altman, I missed that he’s a bad guy now apparently, but people also still listen to certain politicians that routinely lie every day and don’t even bother to make the lies fit the other ones they said before, so..
- xandrius 6mo ago
  You missed literally every single post/article about the guy?
  - giwook 6mo ago
    More likely that confirmation bias acted as a filter.
- GuB-42 6mo ago
  Altman played no small part in the current price of RAM. He told everyone he would buy 40% of all the RAM, causing shortages and a huge increase in price, just to take it back a few months later. So yeah, he is a bad guy now. People don't become bad guys just because they lie. The consequences of their actions (and their lies) matter more. Take Elon Musk for instance, he has always been a recognized liar, even when he was a good guy. What changed? Before, he was famous for making the electric car people actually wanted to drive, and cool rockets. Then came the politics: supporting the party most of his fans disliked, being responsible for many government job losses, in particular in the field of environmental preservation (ironic for a supporter of "green" energy), etc...
  - giwook 6mo ago
    That's far from the only reason why he's "a bad guy" now.
- michelb 6mo ago
  Has there been a single positive post about Altman?
  - giwook 6mo ago
    I wonder what that says about Altman.
    - JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
      That he’s a liability to OpenAI, which is slowly coming around to the realization that it would be worth more without him. To be clear, I don’t think OpenAI could have raised what it raised as quickly as it did without him. But with the benefit of hindsight, Microsoft should have let the safety board fire him.
      - Cthulhu_ 6mo ago
        Slowly? They realised that and ousted him in 2023. I'm not sure if you didn't know or just forgot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_Sam_Altman_from_OpenAI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_Sam_Altman_from_Ope...
        JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
        > Slowly? They realised that and ousted him Not because he threatened OpenAI’s valuation. The idea that OpenAI might be worth more without Altman is still heretical talk. > not sure if you didn't know My three-sentence comment directly references it in the third.
        vessenes 6mo ago
        They is doing a lot of work in your sentence. Almost the entire employee population signed a public letter of support with names attached in the middle of the drama. More accurate to say the board I think.
        6mo ago

I have no idea why people still even attempt to believe anything that comes out of Altman's mouth. Do we not learn from the past?

by jwr 6mo ago

I have no idea why people still even attempt to believe anything that comes out of Altman's mouth. Do we not learn from the past?

apples_oranges 6mo ago

Idk about Altman, I missed that he’s a bad guy now apparently, but people also still listen to certain politicians that routinely lie every day and don’t even bother to make the lies fit the other ones they said before, so..

xandrius 6mo ago
You missed literally every single post/article about the guy?
- giwook 6mo ago
  More likely that confirmation bias acted as a filter.
GuB-42 6mo ago
Altman played no small part in the current price of RAM. He told everyone he would buy 40% of all the RAM, causing shortages and a huge increase in price, just to take it back a few months later. So yeah, he is a bad guy now. People don't become bad guys just because they lie. The consequences of their actions (and their lies) matter more. Take Elon Musk for instance, he has always been a recognized liar, even when he was a good guy. What changed? Before, he was famous for making the electric car people actually wanted to drive, and cool rockets. Then came the politics: supporting the party most of his fans disliked, being responsible for many government job losses, in particular in the field of environmental preservation (ironic for a supporter of "green" energy), etc...
- giwook 6mo ago
  That's far from the only reason why he's "a bad guy" now.
michelb 6mo ago
Has there been a single positive post about Altman?
- giwook 6mo ago
  I wonder what that says about Altman.
  - JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
    That he’s a liability to OpenAI, which is slowly coming around to the realization that it would be worth more without him. To be clear, I don’t think OpenAI could have raised what it raised as quickly as it did without him. But with the benefit of hindsight, Microsoft should have let the safety board fire him.
    - Cthulhu_ 6mo ago
      Slowly? They realised that and ousted him in 2023. I'm not sure if you didn't know or just forgot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_Sam_Altman_from_OpenAI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_Sam_Altman_from_Ope...
      - JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
        > Slowly? They realised that and ousted him Not because he threatened OpenAI’s valuation. The idea that OpenAI might be worth more without Altman is still heretical talk. > not sure if you didn't know My three-sentence comment directly references it in the third.
      - vessenes 6mo ago
        They is doing a lot of work in your sentence. Almost the entire employee population signed a public letter of support with names attached in the middle of the drama. More accurate to say the board I think.
        6mo ago