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SystemD is of out of control. The Best Minimal, Modern, Linux alternative

6 points by grigio 5mo ago

miladyincontrol 5mo ago
Echo'ing a sentiment I've seen previously here, systemd genuinely has to have one the highest haters to benefit-to-humanity ratios of all software projects. Unless its for a very basic environment, trying to replicate much of what it enables just makes for a far more complicated and error prone system.
- dngray 5mo ago
  100% and when you decide to use something else, you realize why systemd is actually good.
sgbeal 5mo ago
> When people talk about minimal Linux, they often think of the old days when systems used only 300 MB of RAM. Wait, what??? No - we think of systems with 4-8MB of RAM and hard drives were <= 120MB (MB, not GB).
Thundernerd 5mo ago
I was expecting to read why systemd is out of control but the only thing mentioned is this: > While systemd is a powerful init system, it has grown far beyond its original purpose, adding features like age verification that many feel don't belong in a core OS component. Is there a better explanation as to why it is out of control?
- dngray 5mo ago
  That's because it's a slop article and it's only really an advertisement for a particular linux distribution.
- the_why_of_y 5mo ago
  That's not even factually correct, systemd doesn't verify anybody's age, it just provides a DBus API to store any date the user enters, in case the OS provides some UI on top of it. https://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_473 https://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_473
mdlxxv 5mo ago
systemd haters are out of control.
Bender 5mo ago
I am not seeing a decent list of alternatives. Here [1] is a list of alternatives if people wish to exclude systemd for whatever reason. It appears someone compromised this wiki based on the top and bottom of the page. Here [2] is the version without the casino links. There are also a handful of sites that show how to make systemd leaner such as disabling units that are not required, not desired or that are measured as being slow via the "systemd-analyze blame" command but I will just include the alternatives. Just keep in mind some services that are slow also run in the background. e.g. 52.896s cachyos-rate-mirrors.service 4.752s dev-tpm0.device 4.752s sys-devices-platform-MSFT0101:00-tpm-tpm0.device 4.628s sys-devices-platform-MSFT0101:00-tpmrm-tpmrm0.device 4.628s dev-tpmrm0.device 2.417s chronyd.service [1] - https://without-systemd.org/wiki/index_php/Main_Page/ https://without-systemd.org/wiki/index_php/Main_Page/ [2] - http://archive.today/KCcXc http://archive.today/KCcXc [clean version]

6 points by grigio 5mo ago

Echo'ing a sentiment I've seen previously here, systemd genuinely has to have one the highest haters to benefit-to-humanity ratios of all software projects. Unless its for a very basic environment, trying to replicate much of what it enables just makes for a far more complicated and error prone system.

dngray 5mo ago
100% and when you decide to use something else, you realize why systemd is actually good.

sgbeal 5mo ago

> When people talk about minimal Linux, they often think of the old days when systems used only 300 MB of RAM. Wait, what??? No - we think of systems with 4-8MB of RAM and hard drives were <= 120MB (MB, not GB).

Thundernerd 5mo ago

I was expecting to read why systemd is out of control but the only thing mentioned is this: > While systemd is a powerful init system, it has grown far beyond its original purpose, adding features like age verification that many feel don't belong in a core OS component. Is there a better explanation as to why it is out of control?

dngray 5mo ago
That's because it's a slop article and it's only really an advertisement for a particular linux distribution.
the_why_of_y 5mo ago
That's not even factually correct, systemd doesn't verify anybody's age, it just provides a DBus API to store any date the user enters, in case the OS provides some UI on top of it. https://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_473 https://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_473

mdlxxv 5mo ago

systemd haters are out of control.

Bender 5mo ago

I am not seeing a decent list of alternatives. Here [1] is a list of alternatives if people wish to exclude systemd for whatever reason. It appears someone compromised this wiki based on the top and bottom of the page. Here [2] is the version without the casino links. There are also a handful of sites that show how to make systemd leaner such as disabling units that are not required, not desired or that are measured as being slow via the "systemd-analyze blame" command but I will just include the alternatives. Just keep in mind some services that are slow also run in the background. e.g. 52.896s cachyos-rate-mirrors.service 4.752s dev-tpm0.device 4.752s sys-devices-platform-MSFT0101:00-tpm-tpm0.device 4.628s sys-devices-platform-MSFT0101:00-tpmrm-tpmrm0.device 4.628s dev-tpmrm0.device 2.417s chronyd.service [1] - https://without-systemd.org/wiki/index_php/Main_Page/ https://without-systemd.org/wiki/index_php/Main_Page/ [2] - http://archive.today/KCcXc http://archive.today/KCcXc [clean version]