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I appreciate your analysis, but no, the rockets are more fatal and dangerous than script kiddies hitting "Go" on their LOIC application from the comfort of thei

by tkahn6 14y ago

I appreciate your analysis, but no, the rockets are more fatal and dangerous than script kiddies hitting "Go" on their LOIC application from the comfort of their homes, far away from danger. Taking down websites and leaking passwords is inconsequential juvenility when compared to the hell that Israelis in S'derot have been living in for years and years and what citizens of Tel Aviv are experiencing now. Hamas is a homophobic, misogynistic, illiberal, theocratic terrorist organization and Anonymous is supporting them.

kamaal 14y ago
Yes, that is the reason why I'm suggesting that the Palestinians must show restraint, despite the frustration. Pursue a total non violent path. Food, medicine and water is blockaded? sure. Go on a mass hunger strike. Let the world know about it, inform them about your suffering. I guess that has already started to some extent too. Forced into a apartheid set up on your land, forced to go through humiliating check points? March peacefully with full restraint to the check point. Don't get violent no matter what. Show the world what's happening there. This is far better than the rocket attacks.
- tkahn6 14y ago
  Well that is an interesting proposal but Israel is occupying the West Bank and blockading Gaza out of security concerns, not out of any sort of program of racial subjugation (remember that there are Arabs and other ethnic groups in Israel that have full rights and representation under Israeli law). By that I mean to say that if there existed the state of affairs, the political will, where a totally non-violent path was desirable and possible for Palestinians to pursue, there wouldn't be a need for these policies which they would hypothetically be protesting against in the first place.
- oelewapperke 14y ago
  Except that will not accomplish Palestinian goals at all : if Palestinians show restraint, that will be followed immediately by Israeli restraint, and there will be peace. Palestinians (well, Hamas, but they do have a lot of popular support, probably close to 50%) want to conquer Israel, so obviously they attack. They inspire their life on their islamic prophet, who amongst other things was a person that personally started over 13 wars and had over 1000 people executed on a whim. I don't understand how anyone can reasonably expect non-violence from them and be taken seriously.
- aes256 14y ago
  > Food, medicine and water is blockaded? sure. Go on a mass hunger strike. Let the world know about it, inform them about your suffering. Food, medicine and water are not blockaded? Israel allows enormous amounts of aid to pass into the Gaza Strip on a daily basis.
  - anthonyb 14y ago
    Sure, they let some through - but not enough to support the people there on anything more than a borderline subsistence level. http://www.ipsnews.net/2010/07/mideast-israel-chokes-gaza-despite-announced-easing/ http://www.ipsnews.net/2010/07/mideast-israel-chokes-gaza-de...
    - aes256 14y ago
      Is there a humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip? No. Israel provides the residents of the Strip with food, water, electricity, medical supplies, etc. The residents respond with rockets aimed at Israeli civilians.
      - anthonyb 14y ago
        Well then - I guess there's not much point in arguing with you.
anthonyb 14y ago
I think your analysis is pretty one sided there. Palestinians have to live with far worse danger - Hamas don't have helicopter gunships or laser guided bombs, for example. Israel is in a far more powerful position; they should be the ones showing restraint.

by tkahn6 14y ago

kamaal 14y ago

Yes, that is the reason why I'm suggesting that the Palestinians must show restraint, despite the frustration. Pursue a total non violent path. Food, medicine and water is blockaded? sure. Go on a mass hunger strike. Let the world know about it, inform them about your suffering. I guess that has already started to some extent too. Forced into a apartheid set up on your land, forced to go through humiliating check points? March peacefully with full restraint to the check point. Don't get violent no matter what. Show the world what's happening there. This is far better than the rocket attacks.

tkahn6 14y ago
Well that is an interesting proposal but Israel is occupying the West Bank and blockading Gaza out of security concerns, not out of any sort of program of racial subjugation (remember that there are Arabs and other ethnic groups in Israel that have full rights and representation under Israeli law). By that I mean to say that if there existed the state of affairs, the political will, where a totally non-violent path was desirable and possible for Palestinians to pursue, there wouldn't be a need for these policies which they would hypothetically be protesting against in the first place.
oelewapperke 14y ago
Except that will not accomplish Palestinian goals at all : if Palestinians show restraint, that will be followed immediately by Israeli restraint, and there will be peace. Palestinians (well, Hamas, but they do have a lot of popular support, probably close to 50%) want to conquer Israel, so obviously they attack. They inspire their life on their islamic prophet, who amongst other things was a person that personally started over 13 wars and had over 1000 people executed on a whim. I don't understand how anyone can reasonably expect non-violence from them and be taken seriously.
aes256 14y ago
> Food, medicine and water is blockaded? sure. Go on a mass hunger strike. Let the world know about it, inform them about your suffering. Food, medicine and water are not blockaded? Israel allows enormous amounts of aid to pass into the Gaza Strip on a daily basis.
- anthonyb 14y ago
  Sure, they let some through - but not enough to support the people there on anything more than a borderline subsistence level. http://www.ipsnews.net/2010/07/mideast-israel-chokes-gaza-despite-announced-easing/ http://www.ipsnews.net/2010/07/mideast-israel-chokes-gaza-de...
  - aes256 14y ago
    Is there a humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip? No. Israel provides the residents of the Strip with food, water, electricity, medical supplies, etc. The residents respond with rockets aimed at Israeli civilians.
    - anthonyb 14y ago
      Well then - I guess there's not much point in arguing with you.

anthonyb 14y ago

I think your analysis is pretty one sided there. Palestinians have to live with far worse danger - Hamas don't have helicopter gunships or laser guided bombs, for example. Israel is in a far more powerful position; they should be the ones showing restraint.