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I assure you that “old cars costing as much as new ones” isn’t the result of the market force of people reading contractual fine print and/or freaking out about
by UqWBcuFx6NV4r 6mo ago
I assure you that “old cars costing as much as new ones” isn’t the result of the market force of people reading contractual fine print and/or freaking out about telemetry. Concentric circles of echo chambers over here.
- Loughla 6mo agoI agree. I have never met anyone in real life that's concerned about telemetry on their car. They're worried about the cost of a new car, and the cost of all the electronics, should they go bad.
- Angostura 6mo agoI’ve certainly met them, particularly in the context of Chinese EVs. I really wish car review publications would start adding a ‘Privacy’ section along side the Perfectly, Road Handling etc parts of reviews
- Barbing 6mo agoDo they seriously not? Malpractice
- CoastalCoder 6mo agoI realize that I'm not a person in your real life, but FYI I'm concerned about the telemetry in my car. (Just stating this as a data point for you.)
- Tangurena2 6mo agoThe Chinese government banned Tesla vehicles from entering (Chinese) military bases. This is due to the prolific number of cameras streaming live video to a hostile (to China) organization/government. One can find blogposts by analysts who show that the upload stream from Tesla vehicles includes cabin audio.
- NoSalt 6mo agoI am completely concerned about it. I don't want my car talking to my insurance company or the government. The "dumber" the car, the better.
- ragall 6mo ago> I have never met anyone in real life that's concerned about telemetry on their car You mean you've never had a conversation about it. You can't know if you've met somebody that has that concern unless you've broached the subject explicitly.
- singleshot_ 6mo agoI’m not worried even a lick about what cars cost electronics or otherwise. My primary factor in selecting a vehicle is my physical safety; after that it’s electronic surveillance.
- specialp 6mo agoThe main reason is more tangible to people. It is more reliability and simplicity. For instance the Toyota Tundra used to have a V8 that was pretty bomb proof. But over the years, manufacturers put in more efficient but more prone to problems turbocharged smaller engines. The bearing clearances went down, thinner oil then can be used which is also more efficient. But the margin for error when you are putting what used to be a performance engine in a car is much smaller and there have been issues. As car prices have gone up, people value a time tested drivetrain. There have been a lot of problematic CVT transmissions too.
- dripdry45 6mo agoCVTs, yep. Needed a new vehicle and bought the final year before they switched to CVT. I can only hope that mess somehow sorts itself out eventually.