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> nearly no one seems to have noticed it. I'm very curious how much time you spend talking about parenting and consuming either social media or professional co

> nearly no one seems to have noticed it. I'm very curious how much time you spend talking about parenting and consuming either social media or professional content about parenting, because those topics are so deeply embedded in parenting today that it's like saying "nobody seems to have noticed the internet".

eleventen 6mo ago
Indeed. _everyone_ has noticed it. Nobody really has any plan to fix it. IMO the urbanism movement comes closest to having some practical plans.
WarOnPrivacy 6mo ago
> I'm very curious how much time you spend talking about parenting and consuming either social media or professional content about parenting, I had minor children from the early 90s to the late 10s. Parenting discussions were pretty much an ongoing thing. When I contrasted my childhood with my kids', there would be a long pause while the other parents realize it didn't used to always be this way. Perhaps in the last decade awareness has bloomed and for whatever reason, I'm not coming across it. I hope so. That would be great.
- machomaster 6mo ago
  The discussion about the negative aspects of helicopter parenting is as old as the term itself.
- lazyasciiart 6mo ago
  Foster Cline’s famous parenting book, Parenting with Love and Logic, was published in 1990 and contains warnings about helicopter parenting. The “free range kids” movement, an explicit counter-trend, was worldwide news in 2008 after a woman discussed letting her kid take the subway alone (https://onmilwaukee.com/articles/skenazy https://onmilwaukee.com/articles/skenazy). The overprotective parenting trend is widely recognized to have been accelerated by the media saturation of stranger kidnappings in the 80s, including Adam Walsh. “As of April 30, 2018, the term ‘helicopter parents’ yielded 2 million hits on Google. From March 2014 to February 2018, the keyword ‘helicopter parents’ was searched monthly”. https://scholarship.shu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3922&context=dissertations https://scholarship.shu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3922...
iamthemonster 6mo ago
Where I live in Western Australia, it is perfectly normal for 10-year-olds to be getting on their bikes and going round to their friends' houses after school. The swing towards "Fuck Around And Find Out" parenting has been going for the last ten years here, and everybody gives you rapturous applause when you encourage kids to have their own independent playtime. I have also never seen a man at a playground get dirty looks, in fact there are more men out with their kids than women on the weekends (fewer during weekdays).
- mothballed 6mo ago
  In USA bikes are often slow enough the Karens can still stalk them and have police/CPS snatch them for being out alone. So you find kids in groups on dirt bikes or motorcycle tier "electric bicycles." The Karens can't catch them so they can actually get away and be free. Glorious to watch, aint no one can keep up with kids who practice being on a dirt bike all day who can cut right off the roads into the backcountry they know better than anyone else.
  - eleventen 6mo ago
    This is a weird take but I think I like it?
  - 7402 6mo ago
    I don't allege bad intent, but I wish people would stop using "Karen" as an insult, because I know some perfectly nice people with the misfortune to have been given that name.
- thepryz 6mo ago
  Speaking as someone who has gotten dirty looks and questioned by mothers who wanted to know who I was, why I was at the playground, and which children were mine, it does happen or at least it did years ago when my kids were much younger. It’s a frustrating experience that changed how I interacted with other kids on the playground that weren’t mine. It made me more careful about whether I would let another kid join our game of tag or push the kid in the swing next to us when they asked. Sad really, and truly hope things have changed.

eleventen 6mo ago

Indeed. _everyone_ has noticed it. Nobody really has any plan to fix it. IMO the urbanism movement comes closest to having some practical plans.

WarOnPrivacy 6mo ago

> I'm very curious how much time you spend talking about parenting and consuming either social media or professional content about parenting, I had minor children from the early 90s to the late 10s. Parenting discussions were pretty much an ongoing thing. When I contrasted my childhood with my kids', there would be a long pause while the other parents realize it didn't used to always be this way. Perhaps in the last decade awareness has bloomed and for whatever reason, I'm not coming across it. I hope so. That would be great.

machomaster 6mo ago
The discussion about the negative aspects of helicopter parenting is as old as the term itself.
lazyasciiart 6mo ago
Foster Cline’s famous parenting book, Parenting with Love and Logic, was published in 1990 and contains warnings about helicopter parenting. The “free range kids” movement, an explicit counter-trend, was worldwide news in 2008 after a woman discussed letting her kid take the subway alone (https://onmilwaukee.com/articles/skenazy https://onmilwaukee.com/articles/skenazy). The overprotective parenting trend is widely recognized to have been accelerated by the media saturation of stranger kidnappings in the 80s, including Adam Walsh. “As of April 30, 2018, the term ‘helicopter parents’ yielded 2 million hits on Google. From March 2014 to February 2018, the keyword ‘helicopter parents’ was searched monthly”. https://scholarship.shu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3922&context=dissertations https://scholarship.shu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3922...

iamthemonster 6mo ago

Where I live in Western Australia, it is perfectly normal for 10-year-olds to be getting on their bikes and going round to their friends' houses after school. The swing towards "Fuck Around And Find Out" parenting has been going for the last ten years here, and everybody gives you rapturous applause when you encourage kids to have their own independent playtime. I have also never seen a man at a playground get dirty looks, in fact there are more men out with their kids than women on the weekends (fewer during weekdays).

mothballed 6mo ago
In USA bikes are often slow enough the Karens can still stalk them and have police/CPS snatch them for being out alone. So you find kids in groups on dirt bikes or motorcycle tier "electric bicycles." The Karens can't catch them so they can actually get away and be free. Glorious to watch, aint no one can keep up with kids who practice being on a dirt bike all day who can cut right off the roads into the backcountry they know better than anyone else.
- eleventen 6mo ago
  This is a weird take but I think I like it?
- 7402 6mo ago
  I don't allege bad intent, but I wish people would stop using "Karen" as an insult, because I know some perfectly nice people with the misfortune to have been given that name.
thepryz 6mo ago
Speaking as someone who has gotten dirty looks and questioned by mothers who wanted to know who I was, why I was at the playground, and which children were mine, it does happen or at least it did years ago when my kids were much younger. It’s a frustrating experience that changed how I interacted with other kids on the playground that weren’t mine. It made me more careful about whether I would let another kid join our game of tag or push the kid in the swing next to us when they asked. Sad really, and truly hope things have changed.