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Anonymous takes down over 550 Israeli sites, wipes databases
- aes256 14y ago1) These script kiddies are not Anonymous; 2) The majority of the sites affected appear to be hosted with a single company; 3) If any of the deleted databases held important information, there will be backups. Edit: 4) The leaked passwords appear to be site-specific; all are six characters long, around a third of them are '123456'
- dylukes 14y agoEither way, you can bet the major news companies will either make a huge deal of this, or say nothing at all...
- pav3l 14y ago>1) These script kiddies are not Anonymous; I think you may be overestimating "the real Anonymous".
- OriginalSyn 14y agoI think you may both be misunderstanding who "Anonymous" is.
- sgdesign 14y agoIsn't the point of "Anonymous" precisely that nobody (and everybody) is "Anonymous"?
- OriginalSyn 14y agoYes. Anyone and everyone is, has been and can be "Anonymous"
- rdtsc 14y ago> 1) These script kiddies are not Anonymous; So what are their names then ? /s
- woah 14y agoThis is a great comment. I can't believe people are thick skulled enough to not understand this concept.
- aes256 14y ago'Anonymous' is a movement, not simply a label for anyone who is not easily identifiable. The movement has a distinct ethos and a set of guiding principles. When I say the script kiddies conducting these particular attacks are 'not Anonymous' I mean that they are not attacking in accordance with this ethos.
- jgrahamc 14y agoThis does nothing to help heal the open wound that is the conflict between Israel and Palestine.
- guelo 14y agoWell it's not as if the heavy bombing of a densely populated defenseless area is healing anything either.
- gadders 14y agoI know. The amount of rockets being fired from Gaza is terrible.
- aes256 14y agoHeavy bombing of densely populated areas? It's rather simple. As a general rule, civilians in the Gaza Strip know if they are near a target. You don't live next to a rocket manufacturing, storage or launch site without knowing about it. The IDF have gone to great pains to warn civilians not to go near these sites, or to mix with combatants. They send text messages, drop leaflets, even make phone calls with recorded messages to the affected areas. They perform 'roof knocks' (using non-lethal bombs) to warn civilians they are in the vicinity of a target. The ratio of civilian to combatant deaths in the Gaza Strip is well below that of any comparable conflict as a result.
- guelo 14y agoYou are not disputing that they are bombing a densely populated area. You are saying that they have to take precautions because they are bombing a heavily populated area.
- eitland 14y agoStill they are rather humane compared to their enemy who is actively targeting civilians. And have been doing that so for years. What is your solution to this conflict that doesn't include wiping the only national state for the Israeli people, created by UN, off the map? Hamas has been quite clear there will be no lasting peace until that has happened as far as I know. (Full disclosure: I don't read arabic so I'm have to trust the translations but they seem to agree.)
- aerodog 14y agoAnonymous deserves our kudos on this one. It's true that these dbs may have backups, but as the world just watches, it's nice to see someone at least trying to put Israel's feet to the fire in the capacity they can.
- bpatrianakos 14y agoThis isn't putting anyone's feet to the fire. You're giving way too much credit to Anonymous. And if they'd done it to a Palestinian company then someone would say the same thing you just said except we'd be switching out the word Israel with Palestine. And I'd still tell you that these people are fools and not doing anyone any good except themselves. Anonymous is now synonymous with being a joke. They come off as immature script kiddies who just reap havoc for the hell of it and think of a reason they did it afterwards. Or better, someone else ascribes meaning to their meaningless acts and then they don't have to do the work. I really don't care who got hacked or what damage it caused. I just hate seeing Anonymous held up as some sort of Internet hero (dis/anti)organization.
- magsafe 14y agoPerhaps you should read Anonymous' press release before dismissing them. http://anonrelations.net/opisrael-95/ http://anonrelations.net/opisrael-95/
- potatolicious 14y agoAnonymous has been known in the past to attack first and figure out who got hit and how to spin it later. I am unwilling to give them the benefit of the doubt that this was a targeted attack from the get-go. And why does every Anon press release read like a transcription of a scratchy VHS tape involving several heavy-set balaclava-wearing dudes?
- bpatrianakos 14y agoI just read it and I can't support them. I am opinionless on Israel/Palestine - there's just too much I don't understand to take a stand. The reason I can't support them is because they operate as if they are the the owners of the truth and the deciders of what is right. Its okay to have strong opinions, think you're right, and stand for what you believe it but the same mentality that allows Anonymous to do just about anything to anyone they deem "wrong" or "oppressors" is the same mentality that promotes people blowing themselves up on crowded subways. I can't support that.
- aneth4 14y agoMaybe they were upset about purchasing overpriced Dead Sea cosmetics? http://dskang.com/post/35828532133/a-breakdown-of-how-i-was-talked-out-of-100 http://dskang.com/post/35828532133/a-breakdown-of-how-i-was-...
- Zakharov 14y agoI could understand attacking government websites as a protest, but why go after random civilian sites? They're just associating themselves with the worst part of the Palestinian resistance that way.
- DanBC 14y agoAnonymous has never had a particularly sophisticated political stance.
- eli_gottlieb 14y agoAh. Moralfriends. Because what the Gazans really need is a network uplink to tell /pol/ and /int/ how much they're being oppressed.
- jpxxx 14y ago"Cyber warfare" sounded so much more exciting when Angelina Jolie was doing it in a neon catsuit. Sorry about this pathetic future, everyone!
- mamby 14y agoGREAT! Thanks Anon
- gingerlime 14y agoInteresting and encouraging to see that most of the discussion here on HN is about rockets and bombing, casualties and fear, and not so much about the action. The anonymous statement however, seems primarily concerned with internet disconnection?! I don't try to underestimate the importance of freedom of speech, and the internet being an essential source of free information. But aren't other freedoms - or human rights (like the right to Life -- not living in terror or fear) even more important to defend? > And today’s insane attack and threatened invasion of Gaza was more of the same. > But when the government of Israel publicly threatened to sever all Internet and other telecommunications into and out of Gaza they crossed a line in the sand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights#Substantive_rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights#Substantive_right...
- jlgreco 14y agoTo be fair to them, cutting the internet could be considered a pretty big deal, if in your perspective doing so would hinder the dissemination of information about atrocities being committed. Is that where the line should be drawn? I personally don't think so, but I can certainly understand the concern over something that might, in other contexts, be just the removal of a nice luxury.
- vaadu 14y agoAnonymous better hope they are just that. The Israelis play by their own rules when it comes to self defense and retaliation.
- idanb 14y agotruth
- eupharis 14y agoI wish I had some strong belief about how one side or the other was right, some plan to fix everything. But I don't. All I have is sadness.
- sharkweek 14y agoI'm with you -- I wish I had some unique insight into their conflict; but the more I read, the more confused I get
- manamol296 14y agoI have no specific opinion on Israel attacking Gaza since I don't know the whole story. But if civilian websites are going to be taken down, then what security do we have that our websites will not be affected in future!!! We can't control the decisions our governments make!!
- kamaal 14y agoAs an Indian and somebody who studied the non violence moment of Gandhi both in South Africa and India. I can talk about the nature of political movements, I studied in quite a great detail. Even in India, the nature of non violence movement was not completely non violent- Its true that non violence came as a overwhelming force for the British. But the British did deal and perceive violent revolutionary sources as a equally big threat. There is always a big debate in India that Bhagat Singh was an equally big threat to British, as much as Gandhi. There were and continued to be pockets of violence till the Indian independence. Secondly, violent attacks don't often serve any thing more than 'symbolism'.In this case, there is a century long history, of a persecuted community being settled on already existing nation. Now persecuted community has its reasons, but the existing people see why they are being driven out and find no acceptable reason for that. Add to this, a massive refugee problem, being forced to live densely crowded areas. No adequate supply of food, water, medicine, electricity for 50 years now. Sub human sanitation conditions. Having to endow the humiliation to stop at check points to move around in their own country, watch their land being endlessly consumed by settlers. Coupled with this the occupier has, a endless diplomatic, military and financial support of the biggest super power in human history. The oppressed can do nothing about it, because the military option isn't even an option. Diplomatic doors are closed. If you feel these sort of people to not get frustrated, something is wrong about your understanding of human emotions. Its in the human nature to empathize with the oppressed. And in fact this is the biggest problem with the kind of activity Anonymous has done. Israel isn't troubled because websites are going down for a couple of hours, they are troubled that there are people with some power and say in their hands, who empathize with the Palestinians. This is dangerous, and even fatal for the Israelis. Far more dangerous than the rockets themselves.
- helgy 14y agoWow, Anonymous taking one side of the conflict and actively helping Hamas terrorists. So stupid move for them. They are just killing the whole idea.
- f137 14y agoJust another proof that they're no more than a bunch of assholes
- doodooo 14y agoWell it's nice to see anonymous now supports a terrorist group :Hamas is considered a terrorist organization by the U.S., Israel, the UK and the European Union. In the wake of the 2008-2009 Gaza Conflict, in which more than 1,400 people were killed, the United Nations' Goldstone Report found that rocket attacks by Hamas constituted war crimes, and may have amounted to crimes against humanity. Human Rights Watch has accused Hamas authorities in Gaza of war crimes, of violating international humanitarian law, and of meting out cruel and inhuman treatment to detainees.
- anonymous420 14y agowell done i like it