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Everytime this comes up, HN is becoming more and more an X-like echo chamber: Touting nukes as the solution to a spike-load problem in a densely populated area,

Everytime this comes up, HN is becoming more and more an X-like echo chamber: Touting nukes as the solution to a spike-load problem in a densely populated area, and the waste disposal as a solved problem (by externalizing the cost). Meanwhile the prices dropped further than ever, 20kW peak with 20kWh batteries for EUR 10k, which provides >95% self-sufficiency in a 2p Household and lets you sell more than 80% of the yield (though prices are already very low when the sun is shining). And this is without an EV yet. Please enlighten me: Why are we still having these discussions? I don't see why that wouldn't scale in the US as well, what's the status with flexible energy pricing? If anything, we need to build fast, flexible power plants, but their lobby groups are well oiled already without our support.

FabHK 5mo ago
Industrial uses plus those missing 5% are the problem.
Jensson 5mo ago
> If anything, we need to build fast, flexible power plants And what are those?
Moldoteck 5mo ago
Cost isnt externalized, it's that antinuclear people fail to inform themselves, like https://www.kkg.ch/de/uns/geschaefts-nachhaltigkeitsberichte.html https://www.kkg.ch/de/uns/geschaefts-nachhaltigkeitsberichte... Nor is safety a problem https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy ">95% self-sufficiency" - oh great, and how much to get to 100% with firming, transmission and curtailment and grid forming inverters included? If you want most flexible plants you would advocate for BWR's with BESS buffers Idk about lobbies, but France has one of the cleanest grids in EU and did the job in under 20y. Germany, one of the most antinuclear areas is one of the worst pollutters after 25y. Austria, another antinuclear country with plenty of hydro = easy to finish the job with VRE, still has worse emissions.

FabHK 5mo ago

Industrial uses plus those missing 5% are the problem.

Jensson 5mo ago

> If anything, we need to build fast, flexible power plants And what are those?

Moldoteck 5mo ago

Cost isnt externalized, it's that antinuclear people fail to inform themselves, like https://www.kkg.ch/de/uns/geschaefts-nachhaltigkeitsberichte.html https://www.kkg.ch/de/uns/geschaefts-nachhaltigkeitsberichte... Nor is safety a problem https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy ">95% self-sufficiency" - oh great, and how much to get to 100% with firming, transmission and curtailment and grid forming inverters included? If you want most flexible plants you would advocate for BWR's with BESS buffers Idk about lobbies, but France has one of the cleanest grids in EU and did the job in under 20y. Germany, one of the most antinuclear areas is one of the worst pollutters after 25y. Austria, another antinuclear country with plenty of hydro = easy to finish the job with VRE, still has worse emissions.