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I mean that also just sounds illegal...

2ndorderthought 6mo ago
Not if a chatbot did it, maybe. No legal precedence here. Also they are a defense and offense contractor they could kill people and nothing would happen
- nozzlegear 6mo ago
  Chatbot doesn't really make a difference. Swap out Claude with the aws or azure cli increasing your usage to 100% for mentioning some forbidden keyword and it's the same problem.
- iLoveOncall 6mo ago
  The chatbot didn't do shit? The person coding the chatbot put this explicit condition in place.
GolfPopper 6mo ago
Would they act differently if it was?
vile_wretch 6mo ago
It also sounds extremely counterproductive to try and sabotage your competition by.. driving your customers away? I have no love for these companies but it's a silly conclusion to jump to.
- LoganDark 6mo ago
  They don't want customers that make them bleed more money than they're supposed to.
  - andai 6mo ago
    People on OpenClaw discord were bragging about having this stuff running 24/7 and using billions of tokens. I think one guy was using billions per day. (I might have misplaced some zeros but I remember one guy's bill would have been $1000 with API pricing. Per day.) At the time, enforcement was pretty random, and I think based on how heavy your traffic was. They weren't all on Claude (though it was the preferred setup) and some people had dozens of accounts hooked up with proxies to avoid hitting limits.
  - PunchyHamster 6mo ago
    Then just... charge everyone in same way ? The problem is entirely caused by their ass-backwards billing methods
    - LoganDark 6mo ago
      They're subsidizing the plans. A lot of subscriptions in general do this: the users that barely do anything subsidize the users that do a whole lot. If every user starts doing a whole lot more than usual, you have a problem. Which means OpenClaw poses a problem, because not only do existing users start doing a whole lot more than usual, but a huge influx of new users start doing the whole lot too.
    - zelphirkalt 6mo ago
      But the have an ass-backwards billing method to appeal to the masses in the first place. It's like price dumping as long as they can do it with the investors' money that they somehow swindled. Their competitors do the same thing, so it is either go along with it, or be left behind in the dust. A contest of endurance in financial swindling. I for one hope it all comes crashing down, when reality hits these companies. I like being able to ask some LLM a question, when I don't know something. I also like asking it for examples. But I don't let it write my code and burn tokens to no end until it passes some tests or something. My usage is at human speed, and I feel like that is sufficient for the technology to be helpful. For the rest I will use my biological wet ware, thank you.
  - JTbane 6mo ago
    I'm starting to realize that fixed-price agent subscriptions follow the same profit model as gym memberships.

Not if a chatbot did it, maybe. No legal precedence here. Also they are a defense and offense contractor they could kill people and nothing would happen

nozzlegear 6mo ago
Chatbot doesn't really make a difference. Swap out Claude with the aws or azure cli increasing your usage to 100% for mentioning some forbidden keyword and it's the same problem.
iLoveOncall 6mo ago
The chatbot didn't do shit? The person coding the chatbot put this explicit condition in place.

GolfPopper 6mo ago

Would they act differently if it was?

vile_wretch 6mo ago

It also sounds extremely counterproductive to try and sabotage your competition by.. driving your customers away? I have no love for these companies but it's a silly conclusion to jump to.

LoganDark 6mo ago
They don't want customers that make them bleed more money than they're supposed to.
- andai 6mo ago
  People on OpenClaw discord were bragging about having this stuff running 24/7 and using billions of tokens. I think one guy was using billions per day. (I might have misplaced some zeros but I remember one guy's bill would have been $1000 with API pricing. Per day.) At the time, enforcement was pretty random, and I think based on how heavy your traffic was. They weren't all on Claude (though it was the preferred setup) and some people had dozens of accounts hooked up with proxies to avoid hitting limits.
- PunchyHamster 6mo ago
  Then just... charge everyone in same way ? The problem is entirely caused by their ass-backwards billing methods
  - LoganDark 6mo ago
    They're subsidizing the plans. A lot of subscriptions in general do this: the users that barely do anything subsidize the users that do a whole lot. If every user starts doing a whole lot more than usual, you have a problem. Which means OpenClaw poses a problem, because not only do existing users start doing a whole lot more than usual, but a huge influx of new users start doing the whole lot too.
  - zelphirkalt 6mo ago
    But the have an ass-backwards billing method to appeal to the masses in the first place. It's like price dumping as long as they can do it with the investors' money that they somehow swindled. Their competitors do the same thing, so it is either go along with it, or be left behind in the dust. A contest of endurance in financial swindling. I for one hope it all comes crashing down, when reality hits these companies. I like being able to ask some LLM a question, when I don't know something. I also like asking it for examples. But I don't let it write my code and burn tokens to no end until it passes some tests or something. My usage is at human speed, and I feel like that is sufficient for the technology to be helpful. For the rest I will use my biological wet ware, thank you.
- JTbane 6mo ago
  I'm starting to realize that fixed-price agent subscriptions follow the same profit model as gym memberships.